In this episode, Dave is joined by Eli Rubel. Eli is the CEO of Matter Made and NoBoring Design and a Marketing Advisor for companies like Dropbox and Loom. Eli discusses how companies that take risks with their design and go outside the brand guidelines will stand out in the sea of sameness and drive more pipeline. He also discussesHis framework for focusing on 'micro surfaces' that lead to bigger winsThe importance of timing in email marketingHow to properly analyze the efficiency of your marketing spendTimestamps(00:00) - Design and brand as competitive differentiators (04:46) - Navigating Early-Stage Companies (07:30) - Performance Marketing (13:17) - How to determine 'Demand Efficiency' (17:09) - A new way to think about design (21:41) - Maximizing Micro Opportunities (28:34) - Diversifying Channels (29:37) - Elevating Brand Aesthetics (32:53) - Design Differentiation (39:05) - Standing Out with Design and Branding (44:31) - Free Tools and Design Investments (45:58) - Closing Thoughts Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels. No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave sits down with Peep Laja. Peep is an entrepreneur; he founded a portfolio of companies, including CXL, Speero, and Wynter. He's the active CEO for Wynter, a B2B target customer insights platform. Peep also hosts the How to Win podcast.Peep takes us through the founding story of Wynter, effective strategies for messaging and its impact on conversion rates. You'll also learn how to take customer feedback and use it to create marketing messages that resonate.Timestamps(00:00) - - Introduction (05:47) - - Peep's background and journey into marketing and conversion optimization (10:47) - - The inception of Wynter and the importance of messaging in B2B marketing (15:47) - - Strategies for effective messaging and the role of feedback (20:47) - - The significance of specialization in marketing (25:47) - - Building a brand and audience before launching a new product (31:36) - - Conversion optimization and copywriting (36:36) - - How to approach messaging for technical products and enterprise sales (41:36) - - Utilizing customer feedback to refine messaging strategies (46:36) - - Closing thoughts on the future of marketing and final advice for marketers Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels. No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

This week, Dave is joined by Brian Kotlyar. Brian leads Marketing and Growth at Hightouch and previously led teams at Sprinklr, Intercom, and New Relic. He shares his perspective onAligning revenue teams toward common goalsThe importance of an effective messaging strategyPrioritizing numerous ideas from CEOsA high-reward compensation approachTimestamps(00:00) - - Performance metrics and career motivation (06:04) - - Understanding customer needs (09:28) - - Personal growth and getting recognition (11:46) - - Aligning goals and compensation (15:28) - - Higher earnings through higher risk (17:11) - - Aligning compensation to reality (20:23) - - The supply chain stages and revenue generation (27:53) - - Product marketing and brand management (29:54) - - Creative messaging (35:57) - - Understanding the managers’ mindset in crisis (39:17) - - Challenges of managing a startup (41:10) - - Managing content effectively (44:23) - - Sales enablement (46:48) - - Becoming a valued expert and resource in a business (49:57) - - The unpredictability of creative inspiration Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels. No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Kelly Gordon and Matthew Kanter are marketing recruiters at Creative People and join Dave to share some insider strategies to help you land your next marketing job and make your next big career move.Creative People is a recruiting firm specializing in the Series A to Series D world and Matthew and Kelly bring in-depth knowledge of roles in B2B SaaS and marketing leadership. This conversation dives into advice on how to navigate the job search, understand your worth in the market, and effectively advocate for yourself during the hiring process. Topics include using LinkedIn for personal branding, negotiating job offers, researching compensation, and how (and why) to look without looking.Matthew and Kelly share insights on the nuances of recruiting, the importance of building personal connections, and how recruiters should approach hiring for roles that might be new to an organization. Throughout the discussion, they stress the importance of being proactive about career development, being honest about one's own job preferences, and how to ensure a potential employer's values align with one's own.Timestamps:00:00 Maximizing Your Career Potential.05:20 Navigating Career Transitions.09:08 Smart Career Moves: Assessing Company Fit & Interviews.11:24 Interviewing Insights: Evaluating Company Fit & Ideal Timelines.14:23  Importance of Efficient Hiring Process for Role Success.18:26 Candidates must embrace ambiguity and self-sufficiency.21:36 Emphasizing relationship building in career advancement.26:58 Career Focus and Motivation on LinkedIn.29:44 The importance of honest self-assessment for job seekers.31:05 Navigating Compensation Negotiations.35:52 Importance of honesty and negotiation in job offers.38:55 Importance of Effective Outreach in Job Recruitment.40:51 Connect with Matt and Kelly on LinkedIn. Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels. No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Why make an explainer video when you can make a rap anthem?Created and produced by Ding Zheng, featuring Jeff Porter (two Exit Five members).Learn more about Exit Five and join our community of thousands of B2B marketers:https://www.exitfive.com/

Amanda Natividad is VP of Marketing at SparkToro. She's also a contributor for Adweek, a Le Cordon Bleu-trained chef, and a former journalist. Dave and Amanda catch up after Amanda's return to work after having her second child, talk about trends they are seeing in B2B marketing today and what Amanda's seen work at SparkToro (including email strategy and LinkedIn). Plus they talk about the path to CMO - and why Amanda enjoys being a team of one.00:00 - Webinar Promotion Without Links and Returning to Work After Maternity Leave.06:04 - The Emotional Impact of Parental Leave.08:40 - Navigating Career Paths in Marketing.12:10 - SparkToro's Audience Research Tool and Growth Strategy.14:31 - VP of Marketing at SparkToro: Managing Top-of-Funnel, Organics, and Events.19:11 - Rethinking the pursuit of status in business.22:10 - Contemplating financial gains and their true value.23:10 - Prioritizing time over extra income for happiness.29:26 -Transitioning from Consulting to Content Business: The Evolution of Exit Five.32:01 - The challenges and potential rewards of solopreneurship.34:16 - Navigating Hiring and Trust in a Small Team38:05 - Strategic Email Marketing at Sparktoro: Balancing Frequency and Impact.41:06 - Sparktoro's Email Strategy: Quality over Quantity and List Management Tactics.43:08 - The challenge of balancing marketing strategies.48:25 - Optimizing LinkedIn Strategy: Pinning Comments and Zero-Click Content.50:32 - Embedding Webinar Links in Blog Posts for Engagement52:53 - Closing Thoughts. Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels. No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Paul Roetzer is a marketing AI expert and educator with 20+ years of experience in the marketing industry. He is the founder and CEO of Marketing AI Institute, a media, event, and online education company that makes AI accessible, approachable, and actionable for marketers and business leaders. He is also the co-author of Marketing Artificial Intelligence: AI, Marketing and the Future of Business, a book that explores the impact and opportunities of AI on marketing.Paul shares his journey from building a successful marketing agency (PR 20/20) and being an early adopter of inbound marketing as HubSpot's first official partner to now today building the Marketing AI institute. Paul talks about why he's bullish on AI for B2B marketers and shares examples of how AI has streamlined tasks for his podcast, from scripting to content distribution. Check out the Marketing AI Institute's "AI for B2B Marketers Summit" coming in June.The conversation covers practical applications of AI in marketing, strategies for using AI tools effectively, and the broader implications of AI in the business world.00:00 - Introduction: Guest Introduction and Episode Overview01:30 - Paul Roetzer's Early Ventures into Information Products03:00 - Success with the Agency Academy and Course Series05:00 - Inventing a Point Pricing Model for Service Companies07:00 - The Decision Against Building a SaaS Product09:00 - The Importance of Building an Audience for Memberships/Courses12:00 - Paul's Journey into the World of AI15:00 - Establishing the Marketing AI Institute: Media, Events, and Education18:00 - Explosive Growth of the AI Introductory Class21:00 - The Emergence of ChaTGPT and Its Impact on AI in Marketing25:00 - Challenges Before AI Breakthroughs in Language and Image Generation28:00 - The Evolution of Paul Roetzer's Career and Focus on AI Literacy32:00 - Transitioning from Service Business to Content Membership Model35:00 - The Launch and Unexpected Success of the Podcast38:00 - Implementing AI in Podcast Content Strategy and Creation41:00 - The Significance of AI in Today's Marketing Landscape44:00 - How Enterprises Are Adapting to AI Tools47:00 - Practical Applications of AI in Marketing and Content Maximization50:00 - The "Smart Intern" Approach to Using AI Creatively53:00 - Paul Roetzer’s Tips for Utilizing AI Language Models Like GPT-456:00 - Discussing the Future of AI in Marketing and Business Operations58:00 - Conclusion: Final Thoughts and Upcoming AI Events Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels. No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Alex Minor is a podcast producer, video marketing strategist, and founder of Eye AM Media. Alex specializes in helping businesses harness the power of video content to reach their dream customers. Alex, originally from a music and audio engineering background, shifted his focus to the realm of video and social media as he started to work with clients and figure out what's working on YouTube, LinkedIn, TikTok, and other social media channels today.Key Topics and Timestamps from this episode:00:00:00 - Introduction00:01:15 - The significance of first impressions in video content00:02:30 - Alex Minor's transition from music to video content creation00:04:00 - Addressing misconceptions about video for businesses00:06:10 - Developing an effective video strategy00:08:20 - Revisiting and repurposing old content00:10:35 - Scriptwriting techniques for video00:12:45 - Overcoming "expert blindness" to create valuable content00:15:00 - Workflow management with Asana00:16:50 - The importance of a compelling opening hook00:18:30 - Cat discussion interlude00:19:05 - The crucial nature of the video script’s first line00:20:25 - Pros and cons of introducing oneself in short-form videos00:22:00 - Ideal length for short-form scripts00:24:15 - The power of conveying information in short videos00:26:30 - Recording techniques for seamless videos00:28:45 - The role of practice and memorization in short-form video delivery00:31:00 - Filming and editing times for creating perfect videos00:33:25 - Alex Minor on LinkedIn00:34:40 - Potential for a follow-up episode00:35:50 - Selecting the right social media platforms for content distribution00:38:05 - The concept of "being a broken record" in content delivery00:40:20 - Short form content challenges and strategic uses00:42:30 - Video podcasting trends and benefits00:44:45 - The evolving landscape of podcast distribution00:47:00 - Podcasting as a business strategy00:49:15 - Alternative podcast content creation strategies00:51:30 - Commentary podcasts and reacting to content00:53:45 - Ideas for generating content and using tools like Chat GPT Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels. No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Hillary Carpio, Head of ABM at Snowflake for a deep dive on account-based marketing. Hillary runs a 20 person team focused on ABM at Snowflake today an she's also the author of the book "Busting Silos: How Snowflake Unites Sales & Marketing To Win Its Best Customers."Hillary discusses how Snowflake has built an "account-based organization", ABM vs. Demand Generation, how to measure ABM, what an effective ABM campaign looks like, creating a tiered ABM strategy, how marketing exists to support sales at Snowflake and why it works, how tools like ChatGPT can help ABM marketers today. Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels. No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Kipp Bodnar is Chief Marketing Officer at HubSpot and co-hosts the popular "Marketing Against The Grain" podcast. Kipp joins Dave to talk about his path from managing the HubSpot blog to CMO, what changes from individual contributor to marketing exec, how HubSpot's marketing has evolved over the years, and some predictions for 2024. Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels. No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Ian Faison is Founder and CEO at Caspian Studios. Caspian Studios manages 60+ podcasts and video series in a variety of industries and Ian hosts Remarkable, Demand Gen Visionaries, Often Imitated, CIO Classified, and Rise of RevOps. He's an Oakland native, former Army Captain, and West Point graduate and Co-founder of Mission.org and co-founder of VETCON. Ian joins Dave to talk about podcasting for B2B. Can it work? How do you think about ROI?Ian also shares some of the behind the scenes from a recent show they created called Murder in HR - a narrative fiction podcast they created for the B2B SaaS brand Gympass - which reached #1 on the fictions charts in Apple podcasts and has over 1M listeners to date. Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivemedia***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels. No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Community is a largely misunderstand tactic in B2B marketing. In this episode, Dave is joined by Carly Moulton (Head of Customer and Community Marketing at Zapier) and Adam O'Donnell (Startup Partnerships at Zendesk) to talk about how each of their businesses is leveraging community for company growth. They discuss:  What community looks like at Zapier, Zendesk, and Exit Five (goals, tactics etc)  How to nurture community without being "salesy"  Finding the perfect level of specificity in audience/interest Where community sits in the org  And how to inspire self-sustaining activity in the community  We hope you enjoy.  Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivemediaJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels. No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by John Short (CEO of Compound Growth) once again, and they discuss:  The shift from solopreneurship to building a business Techniques for managing the team effectively and setting up processes vs doing the work yourself What makes a great VP of Marketing in SaaS Working the middle manager position effectively, and all the nuance that comes with different companies Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivemediaJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***Today’s episode is sponsored by Revenue Hero. RevenueHero is the easiest way for B2B marketers to qualify and route leads directly to their sales rep’s calendars. RevenueHero turns days of follow ups between a prospect and a sales rep into seconds.Hundreds of businesses automate their request a demo workflow with RevenueHero including Okendo, Inflection, Ultimate.ai, Customer.io, Appcues and Rebrandly. You can get a free trial of RevenueHero at revenuehero.io.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this week's episode, Dave talks with Janine Anderson about her Content Operations Manager role Zapier, and the career moves that led her to this point. They cover:  How content should meet the intent of the searcher Distribution to get in front of the right people if inbound isn’t an option Re-optimizing content when it falls out of the SERPs How Zapier thinks about measuring content How content influences behaviors later in the funnel And other content rants from Dave and Janine that you don't want to miss  Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivemediaJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***Today’s episode is sponsored by Revenue Hero. RevenueHero is the easiest way for B2B marketers to qualify and route leads directly to their sales rep’s calendars. RevenueHero turns days of follow ups between a prospect and a sales rep into seconds.Hundreds of businesses automate their request a demo workflow with RevenueHero including Okendo, Inflection, Ultimate.ai, Customer.io, Appcues and Rebrandly. You can get a free trial of RevenueHero at revenuehero.io.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

This week, Dave and Amrita Mathur catch up since their last podcast, and since Amrita started her new VP of Marketing job at ClickUp.There are some great nuggets in here for how to start out as a VP of Marketing in a new role.They also cover topics like:  Personal LinkedIn strategy  How proactivity is one of the keys to being successful  Optimizing for learning in your career, and staying in roles for a long time vs not Figuring out product market fit Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivemediaJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***Today’s episode is sponsored by Revenue Hero. RevenueHero is the easiest way for B2B marketers to qualify and route leads directly to their sales rep’s calendars. RevenueHero turns days of follow ups between a prospect and a sales rep into seconds.Hundreds of businesses automate their request a demo workflow with RevenueHero including Okendo, Inflection, Ultimate.ai, Customer.io, Appcues and Rebrandly. You can get a free trial of RevenueHero at revenuehero.io.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode - Dave is joined by Dan Murphy, the newly minted COO of Exit Five. They discuss: Why Dan was excited to join Exit Five  Where the business is going in 2024  The story of how Dan and Dave met, and their time together at Drift and Privy  Culture of speed, and how "marketable moments" can drive the business The job of VP over IC work  Being hired over (and why it hurts so good) Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivemediaJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***Today’s episode is sponsored by Revenue Hero. RevenueHero is the easiest way for B2B marketers to qualify and route leads directly to their sales rep’s calendars. RevenueHero turns days of follow ups between a prospect and a sales rep into seconds.Hundreds of businesses automate their request a demo workflow with RevenueHero including Okendo, Inflection, Ultimate.ai, Customer.io, Appcues and Rebrandly. You can get a free trial of RevenueHero at revenuehero.io.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave is joined by Lashay Lewis (Authority Plug), Ben Battaglia (Your Money Line), and Rachel Saltsgaver (Seismic) to talk organic content and using SEO and content marketing to drive a real impact in a B2B SaaS business. They cover:  Content marketing as sales enablement  Using content to push people through the sales funnel  The relationship between paid ads and content marketing  Gating content vs not  An example of how Seismic uses SEO content to drive prospects to their site Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivemediaJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter***Today’s episode is sponsored by Revenue Hero. RevenueHero is the easiest way for B2B marketers to qualify and route leads directly to their sales rep’s calendars. RevenueHero turns days of follow ups between a prospect and a sales rep into seconds.Hundreds of businesses automate their request a demo workflow with RevenueHero including Okendo, Inflection, Ultimate.ai, Customer.io, Appcues and Rebrandly. You can get a free trial of RevenueHero at revenuehero.io.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Mitch Briggs, SEO Success Manager, and Betsy Koliba, Head of Customer Growth (both at Demandwell) join Dave G to talk about SEO today. They cover:  Content strategy holistically - how do blogging and SEO work together with other marketing content?  Choosing what topics to pursue Measuring the success of SEO in the B2B SaaS context The right way to use AI for SEO, and... The definition of a Hoosier...obviously ;) Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivemedia***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Jonny Ross is Senior Manager, Brand Partner Marketing at Strava. Jonny has been responsible for building out a global B2B marketing function from scratch at a "consumer" company, and we talk about his role and learnings from his career as a B2B marketer.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketing***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Miranda Babitt is Senior Partner Marketing Specialist at Zapier. Miranda leads partner lifecycle marketing and previously worked in a similar role at Thinkific. Miranda sharees an overview of role of partner marketing in B2B SaaS, hat partner marketing looked like in the past vs. what the role is responsible for today, here partner marketing fits in strategically at Zapier, applying principles of lifecycle marketing to partnerships, examples and success stories based on what’s worked at Zapier.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketing***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Anthony Pierri is co-founder of Fletch PMM and helps startup founders with positioning, messaging, and website design.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketing***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Thanks for listening to 99 episodes of the Exit Five podcast; here's episode 100. Dave is joined by a crew of B2B marketers: Kaylee Edmondson, Lashay Lewis, Tas Bober, and Tim Davidson. Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketing***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by John Short (Founder & CEO of Compound Growth Marketing) to talk about why partner marketing is underrated, ABM tactics, marketing salaries, and more.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketing***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Tas Bober is a B2B digital marketing strategist and previously Director of Digital & Website at Tealium. We cover the role of digital marketing today, mistakes with B2B websites, the role a website should play in the buying process, LinkedIn and organic content, starting a career in digital marketing, and more.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketing***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

April Dunford is a B2B positioning expert and author of Obviously Awesome and her new book Sales Pitch. Sales Pitch guides you through an eight-step sales pitch structure the helps you stand out and win business. Building on the concepts of the bestselling book, Obviously Awesome, Sales Pitch will give your sales reps a story that makes your product shine. We talk about her new book, lessons from her first book, and covered:- Positioning vs. Category Creation vs. Strategic Narrative- Lessons from 200+ B2B sales pitches- Why differentiation is everything and how to do it- Why positioning has to be a cross-functional activity - not just for the marketing- A structure anyone can use to turn positioning into a strong sales pitch- Why she set out to write a follow up book to her 2019 hit Obviously Awesome called Sales Pitch (and go through the pain of writing a book all over again)Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketing***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Rowan Tonkin is CMO at Planful. Dave and Rowan take you through the essential steps to build your marketing plan, getting it approved, and unlocking the full potential of your marketing efforts. This episode covers: Tips to build a powerful marketing plan that aligns with your business objectives Strategies to gain plan approval from executives and board members Best practices and practical approaches to flawlessly execute your marketing plan, turning ideas into measurable results. Insights into the advantages of scenario planning and how it can prepare your marketing team to adapt to the ever-changing economic landscape. Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketingThis episode is brought to you by Kaltura. Say goodbye to snoozinars and hello to interactive sessions that offer live reactions, emojis, quizzes, leaderboards, certifications, announcements, and more tools that will let your viewers take part in the conversation. You can start your completely free 3-month trial right away and experience the magic of Kaltura's Webinar platform first-hand by visiting corp.kaltura.com/exitfive Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Reid Robinson is Lead Product Manager for AI at Zapier. We discuss the implications AI will have on B2B marketing, various use cases in B2B SaaS, and how to future proof yourself as a marketer. If you've been interested in AI and want to understand more about where AI could fit into you role at work and inside of your company, this episode will be relevant for you.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketingThis episode is brought to you by Kaltura. Say goodbye to snoozinars and hello to interactive sessions that offer live reactions, emojis, quizzes, leaderboards, certifications, announcements, and more tools that will let your viewers take part in the conversation. You can start your completely free 3-month trial right away and experience the magic of Kaltura's Webinar platform first-hand by visiting corp.kaltura.com/exitfive Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Yi Lin Pei is a 3x product marketing leader and former Director of Product Marketing at Teachable. Now as a career coach she helps high-achieving professionals land and grow in product marketing, marketing, and other no-code tech roles. She's spent time in marketing working with Series A startups to public companies and was named a Top 100 product marketing influencer and is a frequent guest speaker on the topic of startup marketing and product marketing. Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketingThis episode is brought to you by Kaltura. Say goodbye to snoozinars and hello to interactive sessions that offer live reactions, emojis, quizzes, leaderboards, certifications, announcements, and more tools that will let your viewers take part in the conversation. You can start your completely free 3-month trial right away and experience the magic of Kaltura's Webinar platform first-hand by visiting corp.kaltura.com/exitfive Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Ok turning the tables on this one - Dave is the guest on this episode and chats with GTMFund's Scott Barker for their GTM podcast. Scott is a Partner and Co-Founder at GTMfund and formerly head of partnerships at Sales Hacker and through their acquisition by Outreach. Dave a Scott talk through: Behind Dave's career story and starting Exit Five Some personal philosophies and current goals and the different chapters of life Dave's systems, does he have an assistant or VA? How does he run his business today? How to successfully set yourself up as a one person team Evolving your strategy and goals as your companies goals change How to nail your companies messaging Effectively building a founder brand The importance of niching down to drive growth Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketingThis episode is brought to you by Kaltura. Say goodbye to snoozinars and hello to interactive sessions that offer live reactions, emojis, quizzes, leaderboards, certifications, announcements, and more tools that will let your viewers take part in the conversation. You can start your completely free 3-month trial right away and experience the magic of Kaltura's Webinar platform first-hand by visiting corp.kaltura.com/exitfive Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Mitch Briggs is a B2B SEO expert and SEO Success Manager at Demandwell. This episode covers B2B content strategy, where SEO fits in 2023, is SEO dying? what the future of SEO looks like, where TikTok, YouTube, and ChatGPT fit, how to think about SEO if you're creating a category, how to balance volume and intent with keywords, ways to think about keyword research, and more. Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketingThis episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Kara Hardin is a mental health educator and clinician who works at the intersection of mental health and performance as CEO of The Practice Lab. She specializes in the complicated ways that mental health drives performance and how it shows up at work. She's a former practicing corporate and securities lawyer and holds a Master’s degree in Counseling Psychology from the University of St. Thomas (Minnesota) and a Juris Doctor from the University of Toronto, Faculty of Law.We talk about:- Work / life balance - is it possible?- Finding your why - finding meaning at work, in marketing- Journaling- Productivity guilt- And more - a conversation beyond marketing you will get something out ofSend guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketingThis episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Danny Schreiber is Sr. Manager of Biz Ops at Zapier and has spent close to a decade at the company. In a world where it's easy to jump from company to company, Danny was an early employee at Zapier and has stuck around for an incredible ride. He's had ~5 different roles across the company and sharing his wisdom to help you navigate your career path on this episode of the Exit Five podcast.We talk about: Early stage marketing experiments at Zapier Career growth in a high growth company - Danny is on year 10 at Zapier and in his 5th role Transitioning his career to supporting leadership vs. being a leader Team rituals - staff meetings, business reviews, all-hands, etc. for a remote company And more Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketingThis episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Lashay Lewis is a B2B content marketing expert and founder of Authority Plug. She joins Dave to talk about how to drive more revenue through content and why you need a bottom of the funnel content strategy. We discuss:- How to drive revenue with your content- The problems with top of the funnel content- How to do feature mapping for your product + content- How to get executive buy in with content- How to get subject matter expert interviews so you can produce better content- Some of the right questions to ask before writing- How to do better customer research before writing- And moreHere's a link to Lashay's Content Marketing dashboard we mention:https://authorityplug.com/content-dashboardSend guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketingThis episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Hillary Carpio and Travis Henry are the authors of "Busting Silos: How Snowflake Unites Sales & Marketing To Win Its Best Customers."  Hillary (Head of ABM) and Travis (Director, Sales Operations & Enablement) work at Snowflake and helped scale the go-to-market program behind one of the fastest growing software companies in history. Not satisfied with the traditional model of separate sales and marketing functions, they married both integrated, account-based, cross-functional teams that targeted and closed business at historic rates. In this episode we discuss their new book, how it came to be, and the lessons learned at Snowflake that they outline in the book, including: - How to marry sales and marketing (and why it works to drive revenue)- How to think through attribution and measuring what matters- What great ABM looks like and some of their favorite ABM "plays"You can learn more about the book and grab your copy here online.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketingThis episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Lindsay Bayuk is Chief Marketing Officer at Pluralsight. We talk about the path to becoming CMO, what it takes to be a high performing CMO, going from VP Product Marketing to CMO, her marketing scorecard, doing internal marketing, what it means to think and operate like an executive, the importance of hiring/talent scouting, why org. design is so important and more.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketing***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

We're joined by Jessica Hreha (Head of Global Integrated Campaigns & Content Strategy at VMWare), Kelly Peters (Director of Marketing at Tomorrow.io), and Austin Distel (Growth Hacker at Jasper) to discuss how B2B marketing teams are actually using AI today, including:- Why and How VMWare created an internal cross-functional AI council- Why Tomorrow.io decided to hire a full-time "AI Marketer"-  Perspectives on adopting AI and setting standards for its productive use in marketing today, including examples from how their teams are using AI to drive productivity and efficiency in a responsible wayWhether you're a marketer looking to learn more about AI, a skeptic, or just someone curious about one of the top trends in marketing today and want your team to get more out of what you're doing today, this is episode on AI in marketing is for you.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketing***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

HANG IN THERE! Between Exit Five and some companies that I am involved with I can tell you that right now stress and burnout in marketing is higher than I've ever noticed in my career (so at least the last 10 years). And it makes sense as to why: the economy slumping, leads to fewer companies wanting to spend, marketing gets cut in all different areas, and we're being asked to do more with less and we're stressed / burned out / questioning what we're doing and re-visiting your career path. Hang in there. Almost across the board this is the case right now. With the exception of AI companies, most B2B SaaS companies are have a tough go of it. But maybe there's an opportunity for you to learn something new and acquire new skills during this time. Zoom out and look at your career - will you work at this one company in this one industry for the rest of your life? Probably not. So even if things aren't going great, can you take the longer term view and see what you can be learning right now? Can you think of it as you're being paid (hopefully...) to acquire new skills? Maybe you've never done a rebrand before but now you're being asked to do one one a shoestring budget. Great. Figure out how to get it done. Maybe you're selling to a new ICP and a new customer that you don't have experience writing for. Great. Maybe now you can add other layer to your depths as a writer and content creator. Maybe your boss is an absolute pain in the butt but the CEO is great and the company is in a great market. Can you learn from others around you in the company and in your industry and just ignore the PITA boss for a bit?Take a minute to zoom out, think about your career, and see the next 6-12 months as "skills acquisition" and see where it takes you. Continue to work in your current job, but see it is they are paying you for your development and maybe that can change how you think about your day-to-day job for the time being, especially if company growth has slowed.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketing***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by John Short (Founder & CEO of Compound Growth Marketing) to talk about two of the biggest trends in B2B marketing that aren't going away anytime soon: AI and ABM.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exit5marketing***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos. Get your free keyword feasibility assessment today at demandwell.com/keywords.Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

This episode is from a live session we did with Zapier's Head of Content Marketing Lane Scott Jones. Lane shared how Zapier has been able to generate a 450% ROI on content and she breaks down how Zapier's marketing team uses content across the entire funnel, from generating top of the funnel content for awareness, middle of the funnel content hat drives signups, and bottom of the funnel content that drives active users and paying customers.Lane will unpacks how Zapier built a strong SEO foundation with over 2,000 articles that generate 2M pageviews per month, and she breaks down the roles and responsibilities of Zapier's four person content team. She also discusses how Zapier thinks about content measurement and pitching the value of content to the CEO, plus she shares her perspective on AI + automation with examples of how Zapier's content team is using AI today to up their game.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Jon Miller is CMO at Demandbase and co-founded Marketo and Engagio. Jon is widely regarded as one of the top voices in B2B marketing and does not disappoint with this episode. Dave and Jon talk about:- What an effective B2B CMO does- Questions to ask the founders when taking a new CMO job and how to understand their view of marketing- Why marketing is not a "gumball machine"- The challenge with Marketing sourced revenue vs. Sales sourced revenue (and why Jon believes in team sourced revenue)- Thoughts on what the rise of AI and ChatGPT will mean for B2B marketers- Marketing before and after product market fit- Helpful benchmarks (and where to find them)- Lessons from the early days of Marketo, and moreThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.aiThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Devin Reed is Head of Content & Thought Leadership at Clari and previously Head of Content Strategy at Gong. Dave and Devin talk about:- His role at Clari and what the content team does- Inside Gong's early content strategy- How to make longform content work- What type of content works on LinkedIn today- Myth busting "build your personal brand" and moreThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.aiThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave takes you behind the scenes of Exit Five to talk about how the community got started, why we moved off of Facebook, why we went with Circle, lessons learned scaling Exit Five to 3,500+ paying members and more. This is a conversation with Jordan Godbey who runs Growth Community and helps experts, coaches and creators build communities on Circle and we thought this would make for a fun little "behind the scenes" episode since many listeners are involved in marketing and community building and might be interested in this topic.***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.aiThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Austin Distel, Head of Marketing Innovation at Jasper and former CMO at Proof. Austin was one of the earliest Jasper employees and we discussed the evolution of the company, lessons from building Proof, how the product at Jasper got initial traction, use cases and examples for AI in marketing today, why every B2B marketing team should be taking AI seriously, how to get beyond generic AI results, and handling some of the objections as to why marketers don't use AI today.***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.aiThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Jeff Hardison, Head of Product Marketing at Calendly to discuss the role product marketing plays in a B2B organization.  They cover how to structure a product marketing department, the differences between sales-led and product-led motions, tips on hiring product marketers, what product marketing looks like at Calendly, setting goals for product marketing, and more.***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.aiThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Margaret Kelsey (Founder of TatCo, Marketing Advisor), Jason Widup (VP Marketing, Metadata), and Shauntle Barley (Director of Marketing, Demandwell) to talk about the state of B2B marketing in Q2 2023 and helpful ideas for driving growth in a down economy.Layoffs, budget cuts, slower sales cycles, and a lack of urgency to buy your product right now. That's become normal in B2B SaaS over the last two quarters. But what does it mean for marketer? Do nothing? Just play defense? Yeah right. Marketers are being asked to do more with less, and if you're one of those marketers this is a session you don't want to miss. We'll talk to three marketers in the thick of things right now to talk about what they are doing to drive sustainable growth for their companies and under less favorable conditions. We’ll discuss what’s changed for them in the past year, and how they’ve adapted their strategies and tactics to adjust to the existing market climate. We’re being asked to do more (than ever) with less (than ever), and this session will cover how these marketers have adapted and risen to the challenge.***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Kyle Lacy (CMO at Jellyfish) and Shauntle Barley (Director of Marketing at Demandwell) to chat about what business is like right now Q2 2023 for B2B SaaS, Kyle's new role as CMO at Jellyfish, what the CMO does in the first 90 days of a new job, talking through marketing budget and spending on brand vs demand, and more.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

This episode is an overview of the role of Revenue Operations as it relates to B2B sales & marketing today. You'll get an overall understanding of why the role of RevOps is key to scaling and growing revenue inside of an organization today with guest Lindsay Rothlisberger, Director of RevOps at Zapier.We cover the things B2B marketers and future marketing leaders should know about RevOps today, including:- The role of RevOps inside of a B2B SaaS company- How to measure success with a RevOps team/role- The top trends in RevOps for 2023- Centralized vs. Decentralized Ops and how to decide- What to look for in a RevOps candidate/how to hire- Audience Q&A - Lindsay and Dave questions listRevenue Operations is the fuel for a high-performing B2B SaaS company today, and the #1 key partner to marketing and sales to drive growth.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave Kellogg is a former CEO and CMO with operational experience across companies from $0 to $1B+. He served as GM/SVP of Service Cloud for Salesforce, CEO of MarkLogic, and SVP of Marketing at SAP / Business Objects. Today he is  principal at Dave Kellogg Consulting, EIR at Balderton Capital, and authors the popular SaaS blog Kellblog (www.kellblog.com). He has also served as an independent director across 10 startup boards and has a unique perspective into what top performing SaaS companies do and what role the CMO should play.We talk about:- Being a great partner to sales and why it is marketing’s job is to make sales easier- Mastering the art of becoming the dispassionate analyst, presenting the facts- Being a partner to the CEO- Dave's thoughts on the importance of benchmarks, his POV on category creation, lead gen vs demand gen, ChatGPT, and more.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Tom Wentworth is CMO at Recorded Future, a $250m+ revenue high growth cyber security company. Prior to Recorded Future Tom was CMO at Rapid Miner and CMO at Acquia. We talk about:- Running marketing at 1,000 person company doing $250M ARR- The breakdown of Recorded Future's 45 person marketing team roles & responsibilities & goals- RF's marketing operating system, campaigns, themes, and running plays quarterly and annually- Managing up, working with the CEO, and why "if you don't have a plan you'll be given one"- Why he hates category creation- Why he doesn't like spending budget on agencies- Why middle management is important to scaling marketing- Why RF built a news organization, how it works, hiring top journalist, how it fits within the marketing org, what they report on, doing millions of pageviews/month- And moreSend guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Kara Hardin is a mental health educator and clinician who works at the intersection of mental health and performance as CEO of The Practice Lab. She specializes in the complicated ways that mental health drives performance and how it shows up at work. She's a former practicing corporate and securities lawyer and holds a Master’s degree in Counseling Psychology from the University of St. Thomas (Minnesota) and a Juris Doctor from the University of Toronto, Faculty of Law.We talk about:- Going from corporate lawyer to running a private psychotherapy practice- Working with high performers she calls "strivers" -- people who are pushing to be and do better- Finding meaning at work, even when "marketing isn't saving the world"- The balance between being burnout and being "crispy" and how much work stress is OK- Why she puts her phone in the closet from Friday to Monday - and why she's looking into getting a landline (!)- The myth of comparative suffering- Regulating your body- Why state dictates your story- How very few things require our immediate attention- And more (you're going to love this episode I know it)Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Lashay Lewis helps B2B SaaS companies create profit driven content strategies. We talk about why a B2B content strategy should be built from the bottom of the funnel up, why she interviews sales teams to understand "life before using the product" and why she interviews customer success teams to understand "life after using the product" and how that influences content strategy, how writing influences buyers, the power of a strong company POV, training in-house writers and freelancers in a way that scales, where podcasting fits in a B2B content strategy, why search volume can be misleading, and thoughts on how content marketers can use ChatGPT.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Allison Whalen is co-founder and CEO of Parentaly, a company combines career coaching and content to help expecting parents before, during and after their parental leave. She's a former MBA who worked in private equity and then as VP of Sales before starting Parentaly and taking to LinkedIn to launch the company and build her "Founder Brand." Dave and Allison talk about her LinkedIn strategy, starting a podcast, how someone with a background fully in sales (with no experience in marketing) came to appreciate the critical role of marketing, and more. Allison has used LinkedIn to help Parentaly grow past seven figures in revenue in under two years.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave shares five lessons from the wisdom of Exit Five community members about their lessons from reporting to the CEO for the first-time.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Bobby Pinero is co-founder and CEO of Equals and previously led the finance organization at Intercom as the company scaled from $1M ARR to $150M+, and from 20 employees to 600+ employees. We talk about learning from Steve Blank at Stanford, building Equals, the mission of replacing Excel, lessons from Intercom, how he thinks about marketing as former head of finance, and more.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Generative AI is the hottest topic we've seen in marketing in a decade. In this session Exit Five Live session we went under the hood with Samyutha Reddy and CJ Donio from Jasper to unpack "Generative AI" and share use cases and tactical examples for B2B marketers today and how team's are using Jasper and AI to create content and generate ideas at scale.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Hana Jacover is an executive coach, former Director of Demand Generation, and founder of Hype House Coaching. We talk about managing burnout, fighting imposter syndrome, work/life balance, finding your right path, maintaining authenticity day to day, nonviolent communication, and how to get unstuck in your career.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Four marketing leaders share their lessons, learnings, mistakes, and failures from their time "in the arena" as a marketing leader. Shauntle Barley is Director of Marketing at Demandwell, Loretta Jones is VP Growth at Acceldata, Anthony Kennada is former CMO at Gainsight, Hopin, and now CEO at AudiencePlus, plus Exit Five Founder Dave Gerhardt.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

This is a little change of pace episode, with Dave Charest from Constant Contact interviewing Dave Gerhardt about his career path and some early stories working together through PR, product marketing, side projects, and bunch of marketing stories / lessons sprinkled in. Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Stephanie Donily is Director of Corporate Marketing at Zapier. Zapier has 100,000+ customers and does over $150M+ ARR and Steph joins the Exit Five podcast with Dave to talk about brand marketing, including:- What is brand marketing?- Why brand marketing is not logos/colors/design- Steph's job running corporate marketing and managing the teams that are responsible for brand, communications, content marketing, social media, events, and video- How Zapier is successfully using TikTok as a B2B SaaS brand- How Zapier thinks about the "different vehicles" to tell the company story- The (evolving) role of PR- Do press mentions matter for B2B SaaS?- How Steph grew her career from PR manager to Marketing Leader- How Zapier thinks about measuring brand awareness- Why the CEO has to own the company narrative- And moreSend guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Chad Knipschild is a Navy Veteran and now Senior Product Marketing Manager at Recorded Future. Dave and Chad talk about his background and learnings from his time in the Navy to getting a job in tech and working in product marketing, plus a handful of topics outside of marketing for a little change of pace.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Hillary Carpio, Head of ABM at Snowflake for a deep dive on account-based marketing. Hillary runs a 20 person team focused on ABM at Snowflake today.They discuss why Snowflake has been an "account-based organization", ABM vs. Demand Generation, how to measure ABM, what an effective ABM campaign looks like, creating a tiered ABM strategy, how marketing exists to support sales at Snowflake and why it works, how tools like ChatGPT and Jasper can help ABM marketers, and more.You can also checkout Hillary's "GTM Speed Dial" podcast if you want more of her knowledge on the regular.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Adam Schoenfeld (CEO at Keyplay.io) and Camille Trent (Director of Content & Community at Peersignal.org). They talk about community building for B2B SaaS, what it means to "build a media company", and how creating the Peer Signal community eventually led to building a new SaaS company called Keyplay.io, the "return to rigor" and other observations from the current landscape in B2B sales & marketing and more. Prior to KeyPlay Adam was co-founder & CEO at Siftrock (acquired by Drift) and VP Strategy at Drift.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is interviewed by Superside VP Marketing Amrita Mathur during a live session focused on positioning and company storytelling. When it comes to driving revenue we obsess over tactics when so often the root cause is actually positioning. When sales and marketing efforts are stuck or slowing down, it's rarely because you need to unlock a new channel, or because you are not using the latest martech tool. It is most often a positioning problem. But it is much easier to toss the blame on sales + marketing efforts and ask those teams to do more - because positioning is a whole company issue. Changing the product roadmap, ideal customer profile, pricing/packaging, and how you talk about what you do -- well shoot that is a ton of work, and there's a lot of feelings and opinions, and there's this team who we already committed to doing X for, and investing Y in this, and it goes on for ever. But it's most often positioning that needs to be changed because the context for your market/customers has changed. And the solution is not buying intent data from a new vendor, doing new field events, or hammering on outbound. Those things wont work without the right company story + positioning. With the reality of budget cuts, less headcount, and mounting pressure to hit targets right now there is no better time to take a hard look at positioning. Strong positioning is knowing the value you deliver that no other product on the market can for your ideal customer. Best of all, you can make these improvements without additional budget or new hires (there's something that will make the CFO happy). If you want to brush up positioning and find 1-2 new ideas to help your business, I think you'll get a lot from this episode.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.aiThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

This episode is from an Exit Five live session we did with Dave Gerhardt, Betsy Koliba, and Mitch Briggs from Demandwell. Every few weeks we like to bring on subject matter experts to do Exit Five Live sessions about topics that are more tactical than the typical CMO interview. This was an hour long AMA on all things SEO, focused on what B2B marketers need to know about SEO in 2023, including some questions about how new trends like generative AI, ChatGPT, and short form video will impact SEO in the future, and the classics like: does the blog still matter? which pages on your website should you be pushing people to rank? and more.This episode will serve as a great crash course (or refresher) on what matters in SEO and how you can use organic search to drive meaningful results for your business.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.aiThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Obaid Durrani and Todd Clouser for a discussion about content and community for B2B SaaS. Obaid and Todd met while working together at Refine Labs and co-host the "Cheat Codes" podcast for B2B SaaS marketers. They help marketing leaders and creators craft their narrative, implement new processes, and refine their content engine to reflect their product, narrative, and objectives.  Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.aiThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Amrita Mathur is VP Marketing at Superside. Superside is a B2B SaaS company that provides a design subscription service for marketing and creative teams. We talk about how Superside went from $0 to $30M ARR in three years, marketing strategy, when to exploit vs. when to explore, marketing team structure, where to find efficiencies in marketing, how constraints can act as foundations for your entire go-to-market effort, the cost of missing out, making smarter marketing bets and more.Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.aiThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more 00:00.58dgmgAh, will you tell me your name and tell me what you had for breakfast today.00:04.48AmritaOh my gosh. This is how you start on your podcast I had a little bit of Chi and that's it. That's I'm not a breakfast person to be honest.00:16.73dgmgI go back and forth sometimes I am and then sometimes I think it is nice to kind of let it ride until 11 or or 12 I don't but but then sometimes I wake up and I'm like hungry and I gotta eat right now.00:27.85AmritaYeah, no I get it the whole intermittent fasting thing. You know people are talking about it these days like a lot and I'm just like but I've literally been doing that my whole life like I just don't eat until like noon or one that's just how.00:41.35dgmgYeah, it's it's funny how that happens like a trend happens and then people are like wait. This is a trend I've just been doing this thing my my whole life I did I I did it more just like out of convenience like ah like ah I just found when I was living in Boston and like going into the office and.00:46.54AmritaYes.00:58.10dgmgProcess of just like having to get breakfast every morning and I think a lot of there's a lot of like health nutritional advice that' like you got to eat breakfast. You got to eat breakfast. But I think you can get the same amount of meals and just later in the day and then you don't have it. It is a little bit freeing and I have your whole schedule be structured around like I got to eat or I'm going to pass out right now.01:13.36AmritaYeah, yeah, and then and the newest is that not only do you got to eat breakfast but you have to get thirty grams of protein just just sizable. That's like a burger patty kind of right I think thirty grams and it's like I don't think I can eat that you know if I can have half a banana that's pretty good.01:21.41dgmgUm, right? yeah.01:31.60dgmgYeah, right, We're not all ah like Hollywood celebrities with with private chefs. You know it's like you got to have you got to have convenience. Okay, so see no what happens is when you ask somebody that then you you start in a normal conversation and it's.01:36.62AmritaUm, I think we doubt yeah.01:43.76AmritaYeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.01:46.56dgmgI Know you'd be a good guess anyway though because I've heard you I've heard you talk before. So um, let's just start with just tell people your name and background so they can get context for your for your voice and maybe describe what you what you do at superside and and and what superside is.01:59.56AmritaYeah, for sure. So my name is am Rita Mather I work for a company called superside which is very cool like innovative and disruptive in some ways you know we're tackling an age-old problem which is how the heck do you get good creative done good design done and. The answer is that there's many many different ways and there's many different models and constructs for for doing that and our approach has been to say hey you could be an Amazon you could be a meta you could be a ubs or a Morgan Stanley or whatever and maybe you have this huge gigantic, super powerful internal team.02:24.64dgmgSo.02:38.56AmritaThat can crank out this amazing stuff. Maybe you use a bit of AiEtc but there's still going to be times where you need added capacity and maybe that is a permanent state that you live in because your marketing team and your go-to-market teams are actually always ahead of the curve. And they're always pushing the boundaries. So it's kind of impossible for the creative team to like fully catch up so you're always going to be in this like state of flux where you're just like holy shit I need more and I need better and I need faster right? and it's like think about how we even do like Facebook ads these days like you need like 57 versions of the same thing to properly test it and. You need that in two days and then by the way the experiment data just came back and now you need to change your whole approach and that whole cycle the the test and learn cycle. That's so part. A big part of marketing now is complicated and design and creative teams just need to find a way to like catch up. So that's that's ultimately the.03:22.64dgmgEarth.03:30.90dgmgYeah, well, it's interesting. It's it's like um, you you run this for a while in my job at drift I I ran the creative team and that was like I had no idea what I was doing and ah while I was good at the creative part like.03:31.91AmritaOf.03:36.58AmritaThanks.03:44.41AmritaUm.03:44.74dgmgIt was fun to come up with the ideas and come up with campaigns but you know I I noticed really quickly that you kind of keep bumping into the same problem which is like the answer is always yes we can do that. But that means we got to take this other thing off, it's such a game of.. It's very similar to like engineering and like prioritizing different things and it's hard and I ended up building so much empathy for the creatives at drift For example, on that on that team because you know they don't often know the needs of the business or like who which internal you know.04:02.90AmritaYeah.04:19.95dgmgRelationship between this vp and that vp is like why you need to actually prioritize this page There's just so much nuance and like what's going on and they're like look I just want to create stuff so but but I can't because there's a limited number of hours in the day and so you always it always you bump up against a resource thing and always comes down to do we hire somebody. Internally do we hire somebody externally pros and cons to each approach right? because sometimes you just like I need this I need we need this support now. We need this magically now. It's like I need this work now and in either case to find a good freelancer or to hire someone you got to train them onboard and there just there's a lot that it takes and so I think um.04:39.43AmritaYeah, yeah.04:46.33AmritaYeah, yeah, yeah.04:58.76dgmgYou know, separate from even like the product right? and you working there I Just think as a marketing org challenge. This is something that a lot of people that listen to this podcast like are probably nodding their heads to and struggle with.05:07.57AmritaYeah, hundred percent and you know what there's so much more nuance right? like it's I think it's so easy for everybody to dumb everything down to like lack of process. You know like if you if you normally bring up stuff like this no matter what the team is what the department is. Like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you just need a good process and like then you can do it and it's like really some things can't be solved by a good process sometimes you actually need multiple machines working together. Um in in unison and like different machines actually tackle different parts of it I actually have a really good example. Someone gave me insight into how Amazon operates. I mean they're just a case study for so many amazing things. But this in particular. So what they've done is in subsubsidiaries. They've split up the creative team into 3 buckets and there's like 1 team that's purely experimental like all they do is run experiments like that's it they don't do anything else. They don't do anything else.05:50.17dgmgUm.06:03.58AmritaThen there's like a core team and then there's a swat team. The swat team is basically like akin to the core team but they jump on urgent items. So all they do is like tackle like urgent like it's like really no credence to like what's actually strategic and important. But it's just like just tackling the urgent shit and it's always like somewhat execution focused.06:20.69dgmgYeah.06:22.80AmritaAnd I love that model I love that they know that there's these 3 different problem spaces and they're going to have 3 different capacities almost figured out to tackle that because like 1 team can't possibly think about all of those things.06:34.19dgmgI thought I thought that the the team that only handles urgent shit is just called the marketing team startup. Oh my gosh. Yeah, like everything is urgent. But yeah, no I think I think that's great I think even just what you like that Amazon.06:42.12AmritaUm, in startup land. Yeah you and me were there were yeah right? That's that's ah.06:53.87dgmgAh, kind of team structure makes me think of also just interesting ways to structure marketing orgs like it. It is so hard you have this traditional structure of like you have demand gen and product marketing and then content. But then you're trying to do things on a campaign basis and I've always. 1 of my frustrations like that I learned over time inside of a company was how many people need to be involved and and so one of the reasons that I went and worked on the creative team was like between like myself a video person and a designer just the 3 of us like we could get some big shit done really quickly. And it was just always It's always like man if you just have small teams of people that are aligned around like a specific problem. It. It gets really hard for like 1 kind of centralized body like take in all of the work inside of a marketing team and then spit it out where I love this concept of just like having smaller specialized teams for different.07:35.00AmritaWell.07:45.52dgmgParts of the funnel are different parts of the business. what what is um so so you run marketing over there your Vp marketing um take us into just you. You told us a little bit about like what the company does can you talk a little bit more about like what is your org what is your org look like and then how do you drive.07:45.87AmritaYeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.08:03.69dgmgYou know what's the Go-to-market strategy for superside.08:06.52AmritaYeah, um, I'll get into how the org looks in a second because there's so much context to provide. Um I'd say so I was marketer number one I joined when we were super early stage like we had no subscription revenue. We didn't even really have a product and we kind of had like. Half a product but like it wasn't really like set up for scale and it wasn't really oriented towards this like subscription model. Um, so we had we had nothing and we weren't even called to preside. We recall the parent company concept which no one could spell and we knew we had to Rebrand so literally.08:36.18dgmgAnd did you did you join? did you join ads like Vp of marketing like you. It looks like you were you were kind of a proven marketing exec before this did they hire you with the premise of like you're going to do this and build the early team.08:47.70AmritaYeah, exactly exactly which is actually strangely uncommon in our world right? like you've you've seen this like a lot of I think founders and ceos they kind of don't fully understand how to leverage marketing so they end up hiring a lot of you know, sometimes early young in their career Junior marketers. Nothing wrong with that right? like you need that as well. But then that no one has that strategic oversight. So I think in some ways I mean maybe this is just because it's relevant to me but it seemed like the right approach for this kind of business I would more people would consider that. Ah.09:09.72dgmgYeah.09:19.75dgmgYeah, let's let's talk about that for a second actually just as a side note one of the most common questions that I get from startup founders that I work with is like hey or 1 off random things is like ah hey what? what should I look for in that first marketing hire and i.09:32.98AmritaThere.09:35.69dgmgAgree with you that there's usually I usually tell them like there's kind of camp a or camp b and I think there's pros and cons to to each which is like camp a is you hire the junior person you have a specific idea of what you want marketing to do right now and you as the Ceo have to sign up for being personally responsible for marketing and so like. The example that I have there is like at drift when I got hired at drift I wasn't vp of marketing Dave I was marketing manager Dave and David was the Ceo and he was like we want to start doing content and building our audience for drift I'm going to hire someone that can do content and I became vp over the years because like I rose through content I took on more and that was one path.10:06.84AmritaYeah. Um, nice Oh wow.10:14.48dgmgAnd while I was there. There was actually 3 vps that were hired over me right? and so and so it's like you could. There's multiple different paths. That's why I always tell people also like if you get hired over. It's not. It's not over for you and then you have this other scenario which is like maybe the company idea is a little bit more fleshed out and the founders like we want to go for.10:23.61AmritaYeah, Jeff.10:33.14dgmgYou know we want to go for umri like she she's been. She's already done this before but she's scrappy enough where like she can come in and build something and hire I think where companies fail at that stage is when the vp who they're bringing in like doesn't even know how to like log in to Hubspot or.10:46.76AmritaYeah.10:49.14dgmgCan't create a landing page on your own I think you have to be willing to roll up your sleeves and do some of the stuff.10:51.35AmritaHundred percent it's not for everybody. You know it's it's definitely not for everybody to get that job and then do the work I mean I think by the time I made my first hire it had been six months so I was doing everything from a to z for six months listen I I think. Think it's important for founders to look at generalists some founder like in your case, it sounds like David Cancelll had a very good idea of where to begin right? He said content marketing is where we're going to invest so I need a great content market or dough like that makes total sense. He had a very clear idea many founders and Ceos. Don't necessarily know that and frankly like it's hard to know that unless you've done this a few times like you the answer really is you need to experiment you just need to throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks and see where it's where it's more sufficient right? so.11:37.14dgmgWell, you need to do you need to learn by hiring you lean to learn by what you said you need by you'll learn by having no strategy and then hiring the junior people to do it is. That's when it just blows up where's like.. It's okay to have no strategy but you need to be like I'm hiring this person to do it and like we talked to her during the interview process and she already told us what marketing here is going to be here here. You go lady take the key take the keys.11:59.48AmritaYeah, yeah, when fact I mean I'll I'll just give this anecdote when they interviewed me there was like a step where like I had to do like a proper case like an assignment and basically the assignment was what would your marketing strategy be knowing what you know about the company which was like not that much right. And I said listen I don't know shit like I don't know anything. We don't even have a name. We don't have a.com domain. We don't have a website. We have nothing I have no idea so here's how I'm going to run these experiments I've been in b two b tech for a long time I think we emulate that model apply it here here are the 3 parts I would invest in this is the order in which I would do it. Would get money in the bank first first I would invest in performance marketing then I would go to content which is like long-term blah blah blah laid out on my thinking. This is the order in which I would do it like there's no right answer things would change. We're not going to stick to that. We're not going to be like this is the plan and this is all we're going to do like constantly looking at the data constantly doing customer interviews trying to figure that out. Ah, but I had a general plan and and I always like to this this is like an abstract model so it might be hard for people to fully understand but I always like to think of like exploit versus explore there are times in a company's life where you have to exploit the opportunity in front of you. And there's times in a company's life where you have to explore because you just really don't know and that's what a startup is like you don't have anything so you have to be in this full discovery exploration mode. You know you're like a you know Captain of a yacht going out, you're like Columbus trying to like find like where to go and what that looks like you have no idea.13:17.28dgmgM.13:34.34AmritaBut then when you find land. It's like okay now how do I exploit this opportunity. Oh great, let me establish your trade route. Let me bring more people here. Let me have like lots of mini boats. Whatever that's that's that's really how superside grew all we knew in the beginning was. Hey there's a need for this. We had done enough discovery information that we were like oh there's a need for this. We had a hypothesis for what the buyer Personas would look like but we didn't really know for sure. Um, are in our case, the beauty was that in some ways I was selling to myself so I could get there a lot quicker like one of our buyer personas is someone like myself. So there's just like a shortcut right? like that that was easy and then the third thing we did is yeah we just experimented like crazy and wherever we found the efficiency we invested there which is sometimes I think again that people get caught up in this trap of like. Oh we need to be folk. We need like all these like scalable systems and all and then yeah, there's time for that. But first you need a little bit of money in the bank to prove your hypothesis. Um, so so that we did with pay.14:32.40dgmgSo now this is great I think this will actually give us a way to get to the go-to-market so you did a bunch of things. 1 thing that you shared with me before is that since you all have grown from essentially 0 to 30000000 in revenue in 3 years which is fantastic. Good good work I know how hard that is ah and congratulations now you just have to double that and triple that um, let's let's maybe try to unpack that if if we were to just kind of bucket. You know some of the big levers and going from 0 to 30000000? What what would you say there and it could be.14:54.18AmritaYeah, exactly just.15:08.84dgmgHey we went all in on this go-to-market strategy and we did this approach or it could be some tool or platform that that you're using like what are what are some specifics in the how how superside went from 0 to 3000000015:16.34AmritaYeah, so at the at the foundational layer I'd say there's 2 things that we wanted to really dive in on one is this slightly more like product led approach versus a more classic sales led approach and by sales lead I don't mean that sales is going out in prospecting I Mean. Marketing still doing that and and lobbying really hot. You know, high intent leads that have actually booked a demo over the fence. You know we agreed that marketing would do all of that work and sales should really just focus on closing but that whole approach is like a classic sales led approach right? So we said? Okay, we have product Led We have classic sales lead. Let's do both in parallel and see what makes more sense and.15:56.30dgmgAnd so just just to pause on that and go in there for a second. So that meant that you could go to your website and sign up like if I had a design need I could go and get and fulfill. It self-service.16:09.29AmritaYep yep, exactly.16:09.87dgmgUp to a certain price point or if it was over a certain price point or need it would go to the In-house a field team sales team.16:12.87AmritaExactly yeah like a really Matt yeah and usually that never happened usually people wanted to try us out. Do like a couple of projects as we called it and then that would turn into subscription. It.16:21.33dgmgAnd what would the project be is it you your product goes and finds a freelancer for them.16:28.35AmritaNo, so our model is that we have employees so we have a bunch of creatives different talents different talent stack entirely. So we have animators you know motion designers illustrators people that are just like super specialized on landing pages and ui and that type of stuff all these different specialists. So. Usually what would happen in the plg model is people would come in and say hey I need urgent help to do this landing page for my you know, whatever launching vitamin water in Brazil right? like I need a landing page for that all our billboards and advertisings going to point to it get yada so we would be like cool and so that would go to like a ui person that was specialized in landing pages. But it was very I think the the challenge with that model is like you don't have a chance to understand that person's business like totally out of left field right? So for the creative you're trying to process that without that much time and it's like usually tends to be like fast turnaround type stuff.17:10.64dgmgRight.17:23.18AmritaBut we said you know what? let's let's just see how that turns out and some of those things did turn into subscriptions right? So that was great. We did that for I think almost a year and our data showed that only three percent of people that started single or multiple projects with us actually turned into a subscription.17:40.43dgmgYeah, so most of those people were probably people that have better been better served going to fiverr or something and finding a 1 ne-off quick project and that was the literal burning need like found you on Google and like I just need this done.17:42.48AmritaThey were. Um, yeah.17:53.50AmritaYeah, exactly exactly it was like I have a keynote at so ands so conference south by southwest and I just need like someone to help me spruce it up or whatever right? like there was like a lot of those instances where it wasn't an ongoing need so very quickly. Within the first year we realized. Okay, we only need to service those people and teams frankly that have like this like sort of conveyor belt of stuff that's coming down the Pike Kate again using that vitamin water example maybe you're launching vitamin water in Brazil but there's this whole campaign designed around it. And now you need like 57 different artifacts to produce to actually make that campaign come to life. That's where superside shines right? So then we were just like that's the first qualifying question we need to find out is like is this part of something larger and if the answer is no then sorry but like you're not for us. Oops sorry Dave your voice is cut out.18:46.65dgmgI Oh sorry I just was on mute. Um, so so then so basically but you would still take them if they had a burning need but the burning need would be like the hook to get them in and then it would only be a good fit longer term if they were like burning need has me in oh shit they did a good job I'm gonna.19:01.61AmritaExactly exactly exactly.19:02.20dgmgUpgrade now and hire them to do you know some recurring thing. Okay, and and where were of the people that were fine like how are people how did people know that superside existed where were they how were they finding out about you and signing up.19:12.47AmritaYeah, so it was mostly I'd say like the plg funnel was primarily powered by search both paid search and organic search which kind of makes sense because it's a high intent kind of value prop right? like you kind of.19:27.93dgmgUm, it was organic hard for you to crack because like the company's not that old I would figure that there's a ton of competition in with the companies that are in this space. How did you crack some of the Seo stuff.19:37.88AmritaYeah, and know it was very It was very difficult. It was definitely hard to crack thankfully by the time I'd come in. Um well I I don't know if I should be thankful because it was definitely It was like a lot of traffic but not the best quality traffic. But we had a bunch of blog posts that had been written by the Ceo and with the help of a bunch of freelancers in the past and they were all very designed capability focused so one would be about powerpoint Dax one would be about pitch decks. The other one would be about landing page design like so various and and we had kind of. Sufficient traffic like thirty forty thousand visitors a month kind of thing to those 4 block both? Yeah yeah, exactly they had been written about a year or nine months to twelve months20:11.20dgmgUm, and did he did they just they just wrote those posts and they started to rank at some point.20:23.50AmritaBefore I had joined and so they had had a chance to rank and they were very very comprehensive with templates and downloadable stuff and all of that stuff the right way to do it right? Like really solid pillar post but still not the kind of customer we were eventually looking for. So even today they're still active. We update them all the time. Bring in a lot of traffic but shit leads right? So that's that's the thing with search is that you don't have control over the targeting. It's it's really based on intent and the volume and it's a lot of it's a little bit out of your control.20:42.36dgmgRight.20:54.94dgmgRight? Well, you'd have control over the targeting if it was from a longer tail. It has longer tail. It's a much longer tail keyword but the volume is probably not going to be sufficient.21:07.31AmritaExactly? Yeah, so so I did have something to start off with right? So it was like organic search paid search mainly Lg funnel and ah.21:11.64dgmgKind of as a gift in the curse though. They're like here's all this traffic and then you got to be the one to tell them like well these people aren't going to buy.21:21.48AmritaYeah, yeah, exactly. But we didn't know what we were even selling right in the early days I was I was like that just give me everything um, but then in parallel like I said we said okay, we're gonna set up a more traditional funnel which is you know we we warm you up? Ah, however, we bring you to this. Landing page but eventually we'll bring you to this lighting page of um, hey do you do you want to explore this a bit more. Do you want to book a demo with sales just to explore this right now 15 minute we'd experimented with 15 minute call calling it talk to sales calling it request to demo I think I saw a post about that today on your Linkedin. Asking like what is the right call to action. We've experimented so much with that positioning and and found that requested demos the best combo of high intent and high quality. Um, but also bringing in sufficient number of people. You don't want to sacrifice volume and have the highest quality in the world. It's rather It's better that you capture them and then you see what you can do with that.22:17.12dgmgHave you experimented with anything like it seems like you have a cool a cool so you could have a cool sales process because like people are coming to you with actual specific projects in mind and so you're not just like well let me. Let's talk about it. You could have ah you could have a cool model and maybe you've tried this and failed but I'm just thinking out loud like where somebody actually gets to sign up for that specific thing and you could position what I'm trying to say is this is a good example in B Two B Sas where you can position the sales call as an actual good thing right? because you're like.22:48.64AmritaYes.22:51.66dgmgHey we can like let one of our experts like talk through your landing page and we can give you a recommendation of what we can do in the time frame as opposed to like just asking a bunch of qualifying questions and taking a bunch of like sales process nonsense. It seems like you can kind of get right to it.23:07.15AmritaYes, exactly the experience that we've curated is that you don't There's no qualification. You don't talk to some Junior Bdr and then they're qualified in or out or whatever it always goes straight to a sales rep the sales rep has been um. You know I wouldn't say that they're creatives themselves but they're so close to the creative process that they can in a very educated way tell you very quickly can we help you or do you actually need a different solution and that's that's usually a pretty positive thing and even though we don't close the sale.23:30.98dgmgNice.23:38.32AmritaAh, we find like a lot of those people do come back eventually for some other type of need which has been great. We've won actually a couple of our big accounts like that. That's ah, that's a various observation and one of the things we're trying to do now is like finding a way to like make that very term key and visual for people. Um, today. It isn't it's not maybe as visual as we would like it to be but it would be nice if it was almost like let's just do a Teardown right now like like let me bring in this expert and like let's just do it right now and that could be really really cool.24:10.70AmritaUm, but yeah, coming back to your original question so we had these 2 motions going in parallel and one of them was primarily driven by search the other one I'd say was primarily driven by ah paid social we we actually were able to crack Instagram in the first three months which was really amazing and we were just able to turn that into a total flight will and machine. Um, and so like a ton of ourites just came in through that and then it was just about figuring out. Okay, what is the talk track. Um, who do we focus on in terms of like where is the wind rate actually good. Where does the water flow more easily. et cetera et cetera as we discovered that we we just narrowed down.24:45.48dgmgUm, who who are you targeting? Um, ah, interesting to hear that Instagram works. So I think it makes sense given like the design component of this but like um, who are you targeting that this works so well on.24:58.56AmritaOh gosh I'd say in the early days we were targeting anybody that looked like a marketer or a creative or a underserved um business leader. So like you could be like you know sometimes banks have like. Vp of strategy. No idea what they do but like you own some some component and maybe it's like a combination of marketing and sales and some other operational stuff right? But there's a ton of in the enterprise world like there's a ton of these like sort of more I'd say like less defined roles.25:15.39dgmgSure.25:33.00AmritaAnd they all have a need for creative. But they're a little bit perhaps practical.25:35.65dgmgRight? I was actually just thinking like this is a fun marketing job. Um, well maybe it's not off the record I'm just kidding I don't know I don't know that no it seems like a fun because um, the you're selling something that is.25:53.42dgmgYou're not trying to prove that this is a need right? Every marketing team on the planet and creative team on the planet like it is a fact that they are doing. They're burnt out. They can't take on more work and if a marketer needs something in a pinch you you can't get it from your team internally so like as opposed to. Different companies trying to like create demand for a product doesn't seem like ah what you have to do is create demand. It's more about like how do you get into those conversations and just as I as I was asking a lot I like well what I would just thinking like I wonder was it like some ridiculous ad copy or offer or creative on Instagram and that kind of like actually no, this is like. You're fishing. You're fishing with great bait you're like we can fix we know you have this problem we can fix this problem let's talk and I just wanted to call that out for this podcast because I think so often we we beat our heads against like the tools and the tactics and the optimization where it's like it really is this. This is why the story is the strategy and the.26:33.60AmritaNow. Yeah yeah.26:49.20AmritaYet.26:51.60dgmgThe product piece of this matters so much and then the rest of the marketing becomes easier when you have the right fit.26:55.85AmritaYeah, no that That's ah, absolutely great point like we're not necessarily creating the Demand. We don't have the pressure to do that and these buyer Personas are very clear that the and the problem exists I think the thing with us though and this is why it might that the part of the. Job That's not super fun and easy I would say well I should say it's not super easy but parts of it are fun is that for us. We actually need to reframe that right. Everybody comes in with this like very standard frame of reference. It's like yup I have this need? Oh you're going to solve this like an agency or you're going to solve this like a freelancer marketplace. Right? Um, and and we're like no no, no, we're this like different model and here's where it makes sense and here's where it doesn't make sense and like that whole reframing is actually not that easy. Um there. There are customers that are good fits for us and there's absolutely customers that are going to be horrible fits and sometimes we still sell them and that's maybe not a good thing.27:30.66dgmgYep.27:50.53AmritaUm, so that that's where the marketing magic lies. It's not so much the bring in the horse to water. It's like getting.27:55.20dgmgYeah, ah, that's interesting. Yeah, it makes a ton of sense because like the need. It's a very um, impulsive needs- drivenven like thing like I need this right now. Yes I can pay 5 grand to get this website page done by with two weeks from now. But i. if if I'm the buyer I'm kind of only thinking about that I'm not I'm not coming to that conversation like prepared to talk about my next six months of creative needs.28:16.70AmritaExactly exactly you have no roadmap you just want to solve that need the other problem it creates for us is that our our marketing machine in the beginning was just tapping like just picking off the low-hanging fruit right? like as it should be like you just want to like get traction. You just want to get money in the bank. So we picked off a lot of the low hangging fruit and then there did come a time I'd say like maybe especially about a year ago where we were like okay wait a second I think we have picked up a lot picked off a lot of the low-hanging fruit and now we need to go to the people that don't have a. Ah, super clear understanding of their own second order pain points like maybe they're first order pain points. But if we actually want to start selling people beyond just their immediate need which by the way like you know ebbs and flows and might come come up sometimes and might not other times we can't be um. We can't be waiting around for people to recognize that need we need to go to them and show them why there's a better way and so to do that we have used some of the same you know frameworks and tropes that you and others like April Dunford have talked about but we've kind of tried to coin a term.29:13.77dgmgThis.29:26.39dgmgAh.29:26.88AmritaThat allows people to change their frame of reference. We've coined a term called cas creative as a service that is clearly different from an agency and clearly different from a Fiverr and so that allows people that allows us to be like people are like oh what What is this cast thing. What and why should i. You know, take note and and then then we can get into the story of why which is just an opportunity. We're hungry for.29:44.78dgmgYeah, so all god so this all stem from my initial question which is about asking about go- to market tell me this is wrong or right I feel like and by the way up the when I do these interviews I'm kind of like a'm just like ran writing random shit down trying to come back to different things. But. So my guess would be that from an ah acquisition and interest standpoint that stuff is easier for for you. You can you know between Seo and paid and I'm I'm sure you're doing events and content and traffic. But you have no problem like getting people to be interested in in this thing. It seems like a lot of the marketing.30:14.25AmritaYes.30:23.20dgmgDay-to-day challenge that you have is going to be around you know product product marketing muscle and bottom of the funnel types of activities is that right.30:28.72AmritaYeah, hundred percent yeah top of funnel acquisition not hard at all. It's it's really like changing people's minds and. Forcing people to be like wait a second the solution I have right now is is not great I need to think about something different that actually makes me more resilient and sets me up for scale which crazily a ton of marketers. Don't think about because they think of creative as someone else's problem.30:42.40dgmgUm, yeah, yeah.30:52.50dgmgRight? Alright,, let's talk about Let's talk about some of the things as a marketer and you that you and your team are doing to try to crack this problem because a lot of people listening actually would be thrilled to be in this position which is like I got a bucket full of people who are interested and we got to do a better job at getting them to buy So What. What are your kind of big rocks or initiatives in in marketing as much as you can share to to go after that. How? how are you approaching that.31:14.57AmritaYeah, so we talked about this like positioning thing that we're trying which is you know, really going to be like a campaign- led almost pseudocategory creation I Hate to use that word because it's a big word. We're not necessarily trying to create a category. But. Very clear positioning that this you know makes us distinct from the incumbent solutions that are out there and showcases I think like the the winning part of what we do? Well, that's one that's like a huge body of work and that.31:42.65dgmgBy the way category or not I think what you're doing is great which is like you're you're naming it like I think category or not is a separate discussion but you're like oh what does superside do instead of like well it's not you know, creative as a service. It's like everyone's going to understand that or at least to the point where they might.31:47.18AmritaUm, or it mean? yeah.31:58.28AmritaUm, yeah, exactly.32:02.11dgmgThey might say interesting tell me more. They don't have to understand all of it but they're just going to catch them I think it's a great hook. Yeah.32:04.35AmritaHundred percent and most people are like okay tell me more. That's exactly what we're looking for is like just give me the permission to tell you more right? I need to illustrat unpack this for you. So that's one huge body of work and everything that surrounds that the second thing is like we've really pivoted this year the team the32:10.87dgmgYeah, oh.32:22.10AmritaPretty sizable content marketing team that we have that focuses on everything from content creation to social to Community. We're pivoting that entire team to very much focus on middle and bottom of funnel but almost entirely on bottom of Funnel. So conversion-oriented content mind. Bending mind changing content like stuff that will actually make you be like wait a second like we want that we want people to like do the nodding and like going along and like you know to the end of it. They're like okay, cool I get it but we actually want people to stop dead in their tracks and be like wait a second. What? what are they talking about? Why do I need. I Need to pay attention to this I need to understand this better. Um, and we're gonna yeah ah.33:01.51dgmgSo what does that look like I love that so they're focusing their efforts on mind-bending bottom of the funnel content. So is that like an article and you just need an article. You just need a ah 2500 word killer.33:15.62AmritaI I wish which yeah though I wish I wish that was the antidote I mean it'd listen. It could be for some people I think a lot of a lot of people. You know that there's different ways to do this What we're trying to do is you know as an example.33:16.20dgmgWell-researched well-written objection smashing article like what is it.33:34.58Amrita1 of the programs we're standing up is you know customer led storytelling which sounds so obvious. But I think I think how we've gone about it in the past hasn't been the greatest. We've kind of unpacked like what the customer used us for and like what they got out of it. You know the classic like.33:38.94dgmgYeah.33:51.68AmritaChallenge solution. Whatever it was. You know result. But I think our approach now is going to be hey maybe it's a video. Maybe it's ah it's a webinar It's very bite sized. It's going to be like 10 minutes max and we're going to get the customer to actually elevated to like a higher level business problem. So it could be. Hey I'm ah I'm the director of performance marketing at so-and-so so big financial services company. Our Cac has been through the roof you know we we over the pandemic it kind of shot up and we were never able to bring it down now. It's like what the hell do I do right? It's like okay, there's all these like 5 different things we can do. But we realized very quickly that creative is at the at the center of all of this and so we have to just do like a lot more rapid testing blah blah blah blah and then you distill that problem down into like how you actually did that and superside is a player in that whole ecosystem I don't think we need to say oh my god you solved your big problem of reducing cac by using superside right? like that's ridiculous. Think that type of storytelling where our future customer can see themselves in the same shoes can be like oh my god I have that cac problem I need to be thinking about this formula this playbook this framework. Oh and by the way superside can help me with that. That's the kind of thing that we want to bring across so.35:04.44dgmgNice.35:06.28AmritaThat could come in many forms I'm just giving 1 example here, but that's that's an example of something.35:08.98dgmgI like this that you wrote you you wrote this on Linkedin about a month or so you set up writing a long-ass memo to the marketing team about 2023 content strategy and I can't wait to share it with the world by narrowing our focus and by narrowing our focus and favoring depth instead of breadth.35:14.87AmritaUm, oh yeah.35:26.28dgmgBreath will weather this capital scarcity environment and aiinuced content tsunami. Can you can you explain that? What do you mean by? ah for the for the people listen What do you mean by focusing on depth instead of breath I mean I think you you kind of just talk you talk through it. But do you have an example of maybe something that's in the works that you can.35:31.32AmritaYeah, fusa. Yeah, yeah.35:44.60dgmgCan share.35:44.95AmritaYeah, um, yeah, the du thing we kind of talked about I think it's also like I want to address that it also means saying no to things. So for example on the blog. We've been very search focused so we write content. To match up with what people are searching for obviously in correlation with the things that we care about that Venn diagram right? But we've but we're actually actively now going to move away from that this year and and really kind of go to like the areas that require. I'd say like significant um, it's it's the kind of thing that teases out like the wheel at the core selfish desires and and problems that our buyers face an example of that is so a very a very simple one I mean there's a bunch.36:31.30dgmgUm.36:34.65AmritaBut but a very simple one is a lot of the creative directors. We chat with and our customers, especially when they talk about their selfish desires. It's often something like this. It's often. My team is demoralized I need to help them not be demoralized. You know. Um, and and that's different than saying I need to optimize my team or I need to do more I need to crank out more creative like it's not really about that. Those are all the rational needs and stuff right? But it's like ultimately where they're hurting is like their team is demoralized. So How do we tell the stories.37:02.42dgmgYeah, yeah.37:09.70AmritaThat allow us to position superside along that selfish desire and that selfish pain.37:13.82dgmgUm, well, it's interesting you you you also can I think this this is another kind of meta lesson in this which is like you're also positioning is very much a moving target and at this time in business right now and in the world that you sell to something that. Most companies care about is like they're getting crushed from a budget standpoint right? They're they're cutting budgets they're having to do layoffs and then to your point about team morale and this and that and so I think it's smart to like okay, well let's use those factors. We. I do see many companies that don't ever change their positioning because it's it's got to be relevant and that could change next quarter right? It's like six months from now everything you know comes back and then it's going to be a different a different conversation that you could spin your story that way and so I think it's it's just cool to hear you do that and I I think that's an underrated ingredient of positioning that it. Don't be afraid to change it I think we don't like to change it because it takes so many meetings and people involved which is like make the case for not having to do that who leads that effort this creative as a service thing. Can you talk about how that came to light inside of the company.38:06.75AmritaYeah.38:18.30AmritaYeah I would say like we didn't really have anybody actively thinking about it. Um, the only thing that the Ceo and I guess agreed on is that. We were tired of people referring to us as an agency or sometimes they would call us agency 2.0 which was even worse because I was like two point zero I was like we're well beyond tu anyway, ah so so we experimented with um, giving our platform that powers our service. A name we thought that if we brought the platform to the forefront and really talked about the tech and how it's purpose built and but but but but but that that would work so we experimented with that we called it. A design ops platform for various reasons which actually part of it actually worked out really well because it entrenched us with a lot of design ops professionals which is a new.39:05.34dgmgUm.39:06.71AmritaThat you know a lot of big creative teams invest in um, you know Airbnb has an entire department called the design opbs team which is separate than the design team. So that experiment failed because I think. I think it's still only talked about a portion of what we did and not the entire model and the movement that we were trying to create around it. Um, so we we knew that that wasn't quite working the way we imagined. And we knew we that we needed to ah you know come up with a new term. But then we also weren't sure like if it goes into category creation territory and there was one day where I think we were just battering around stuff on the marketing leadership team and. And I and I think I I just said like it would be nice to kind of like hitch a ride on this like Sas bandwagon I was like no if if we were like creative but for Sas but like or like creative like for Sas and I think it just like we just like spitballed it like it just came out. You know we were just we were just trying to like be.40:05.78dgmgYeah.40:08.28AmritaYou know, synonymous with something that people understood that was the insight that it had to be synonymous with something that our audience which is highly concentrated in tech internet and gaming that they understood and and Sas just kept coming to mind and I think we just came up with it and I think we just. Pitched it around inside the company people didn't hate it and yeah people didn't hate it and actually there was like a very fortuitous event. We were chatting with um Jason Calacanis about I can't remember what the call was about it was me.40:29.90dgmgThat's how it always starts I didn't hate it.40:42.80AmritaHead of performance marketing and Jason and like you know he's he's a big deal. He's been around the block he he knows everything about saas businesses startups who name it and he said and Rita tell me what superside is and like I and I had like we think we had like 5 minutes with him so it was like very crunch time right? and I was just like but but I think it was.41:00.20dgmgUm, what was the call for.41:02.44AmritaFor um I think we were trying to advertise on his podcast I think yeah and I I think sometimes he joins those calls if it's interesting for him I don't think normally he leaves it up to like dominions but he just he just showed up and we were like oh wait a second so because we had just talked about this cast.41:05.69dgmgGot it? okay.41:11.94dgmgYeah.41:20.17AmritaI ended up like blurting it out saying like you know superside is like creative as a service like we're like creative sa for you know, Baba and and he just loved that so much and he said listen when I do oh yeah, that's right, it was for his podcast advertising. He said when I when I do these plugs for companies. He's like I like to record it in my own voice I don't like to follow a script so you tell me what this company is and I'll just do it and then when he finally did record it and we saw the output of it. He had just positioned cast and used it so beautifully in a sentence I was like oh my god this is it.41:50.70dgmgUm, isn't that that's I love that I mean that's that's why that's a perfect example of why like a make a decision pick a name and go start to tell people what you are because eventually like the market tells it back to you and a lot of the positioning work is like.41:52.83AmritaAh, key did our marketing for us.42:07.55dgmgIt's really hard when you're just sitting there either in a room with a team or you have the open Google doc and you're just like trying to write it. It has to be ah has to come organically and so like boom you got a name for it. You put it in some creative. They actually tell it back to you differently I mean I've seen this multiple times it could be ah the way a customer. The way a customer responds to an email and they're like hey I've always thought of you as this and that email gets screenshotted and sent around or like your Ceo meets with a customer and the customer says it this and the Ceo texts you and's like listen how she described us and you're like ah that's it and I think you have to move fast to open yourself. You have to like make a commitment to then move.42:26.39AmritaX Pocket. Yes.42:43.35dgmgThen you can you know, get get some data on that really quickly Now you're like Boom This guy said it a he liked it and he said it better than us I bet if I looked over your superside copy copy somewhere. You got you've now taken that and turned it into copy that you're going to use at some point.42:57.17AmritaYeah, yeah, 100%. So like now we're using it everywhere but that was just like an early proof point right? that was like okay someone else outside our company. Got it right away within like 30 seconds and like set it back to us in a better way and let's just like float it and try to use it and I think what the Ceo also heard. Um, how Jason said it like I think it kind of sunk in better with him as well and you know already people didn't hate it and now we were just like okay, there's something here and then we just started slowly testing it. We hired our first product marketing hire. Um. In the fall of last year and he just talked to a bunch of customers in his first three months on the job and just like use that term nonstop with every customer and good response right? Like that was just like okay check like customers aren't hating it. They get it. Most people are like okay, interesting tell me more. And granted these are people that know us and have already purchased but those are the best people to talk to to see if it's like actually like jiving with their impression of us.43:58.16dgmgI love that and I like that the big lesson is not some tool or some channel. It's this overall story of getting the company aligned around creative. Um, as a service. Okay, what's what's changed with where are you placing bets in marketing and in 2023 and how is that. Different than maybe it was last year or the year before what's what's some new stuff that you're doing.44:15.72AmritaYeah, yeah, so the 2 things we already talked about this cast thing and then pivoting all of content marketing and then I guess the third thing is like we're heavily leaning into expansion of existing accounts I think this is like a known thing like if you sell to enterprise. At some point all of your big bucks are actually going to start coming from existing customers because why not they already know you you have a champion inside so we're just turning that into playbook that's a huge focus of the company this year so marketing sales or tag teaming it. We're figuring that out. Yeah, so.44:44.93dgmgWhat what role do you think marketing will play in that.44:50.65AmritaInterestingly I think we have a lot to do with accounts selection. Um I mean I could say on this podcast that I think our first the first time at this rodeo was not fruitful and I think it started at just like not knowing who our best fit customers are and how to expand within them you you even though it's expansion. You you can't go about it. Willy -nilly you still have to kind of go with customers that fit your ideal buy our profile etc. The 1 thing that we look at very carefully for example, in case, this is a clue to other people is what what is the level of respect. And accountability that our buyer personas have inside the company if you're a company that does not respect design or the creative team for example, chances are they don't have a lot of leeway and chances are they don't make their own decisions so to go there and just try to sell to them to the creative director there or the head of design there. Pointless so we try to think about that like you could call it whatever right? but like importance or respect or or amount of clout.45:53.78dgmgHow do you? How do you get to? that is is like a judgment call by the by the sales rep or something. How do you know that.46:00.46AmritaYeah, no, we we look at it industry by industry and we've split um Industries we've actually said hey generally you know tech companies grow and understand marketing and creative to a large extent. Not every company out there but generally right.46:11.40dgmgUm, what's the industry that doesn't bank banking.46:16.64AmritaI would say well in financial services I would say there's like a whole smattering of stuff so crypto and fintech obviously huge on the list right? Like they they love it. They get it I would say then it starts to taper off strangely in insurance. And um, in insurance in particular and lending also to some degree they understand marketing and creative particularly from an advertising lens not maybe holistic marketing. But I'd say like from an advertising lens for sure. Banks actually have so much regulatory stuff and they have so many hoops to jump through that even if they get it. They can't really do that much about it. So Actually that's not an audience for us so we split financial services for example into these like subcategories where we think we can win.46:59.56dgmgSo.47:06.75AmritaAnd we only go after those categories similar in media and entertainment like you'd be surprised like of course netflix Walt Disney you know master class. All these guys get it. They're super into it. But then there's traditional media that just isn't there and then you you just you know you just have to go around them so that's. The account selection part is like really important. Um, but really after that the main role that marketing can play in. It is like really figuring out sort sort of more like customized messaging and creative. You know it's it's roughly all the same story but there's like a level of personalization that needs to happen. Um, so we try to do that and and and more recently this year this is a new bet. We're actually going to be doing custom things like brand new content like it could be an ebook or a guide or it could be a webinar that we specifically run for that account around a stop in a one-off way topic that.47:55.20dgmgAs a and and a 1 ne-off way wow so marketing might write a dedicated piece of content to close 1 customer. That's awesome.48:00.99AmritaAbout.48:04.62AmritaYeah, exactly. But it could be like for us the ltv on an enterprise customer is gigantic. So let's say we spend even $5000 on that dedicated piece of content that's going to yield like to 400000 right so that's48:15.81dgmgRight? And it is that how you think of your revenue plan is it from a target account standpoint now.48:22.33AmritaYeah, so on expansion. Yeah, it's like basically we go through it account by count figure out hey what are the tier one accounts and then what here are the accounts that we're going to put a shit ton of effort into like from a marketing lens. And here are the ones that will still like do expansion playbook stuff with them. We have like an army of bdrs Now that's going to like outreach all the subsidiaries and all of that stuff. But they're We're not going to do like the custom things that we've talked about for the tier One accounts. So That's a huge that's a huge investment and a totally different playbook than what superside has done in the past.48:47.34dgmgSo cut.48:55.15AmritaWe've been very obsessed with payback period and efficiency in general in the past and I think for the first time this year ironically in a resection we have gitchched that for the first time to try to invest in these high cost activities.49:07.85dgmgUm, and do you have the freedom to do that because things are going well or is this just a bet that you're making.49:21.66AmritaUm, her I mean it is bad in terms of like how it comes about I would say I'm just thinking out loud that this is a very good question I think we just have so much. Alignment and the company around expansion that anything we can do to move the needle on expansion in particular, we kind of you know what this that I'm thinking out out loud in real time. But maybe I'm I'm obsessed with like modeling everything. Even if it's like back of the napkin like just like what is what is this. Potentially going to yield what is this potentially going to cost and we didn't actually do that for this particular Playbook. So now I'm thinking maybe I should go back to the drawing little bit.50:00.67dgmgWell I was wondering if maybe you know it's also possible that like because it's very specific and that and you and the focus is large revenue you have to take more kind of creative. It's not such a channel that needs to be under the roi microscope because. The acv is going to be hopefully so much more than even if you were yeah sure we don't need to measure the exact roi on this $5000 guide that we wrote because we're trying to close a half million dollar customer and it's part of that campaign. Maybe I don't know I'm not at your well the reason I was but the reason I was asking was um.50:31.21AmritaRight? Yeah, no, that's that's a good.50:37.91dgmgJust interesting to hear somebody say that we're in in a world where a lot of vp marketing are under a tighter microscope to no to no payback period. You've done it historically historically and here's a new channel and you you don't have to do it.50:51.51AmritaYeah I mean no one's asked for it and everyone knows what the plan is and everyone's like gungho and go for it. So I guess we just never did it? Um, but yeah like I think the realization across the whole company is that if we want to move upstream.50:54.28dgmgUm, yeah.51:04.87AmritaAlmost exclusively sell to enterprise that that requires a different go to slightly slightly different. Go-to Markete and it probably means more upfront cost. That's that's what I've realized from talking to people that I've just nailed Enterprise. So yeah, well.51:16.10dgmgYeah, that makes sense.51:19.96AmritaWe'll we'll never shed our efficiency roots like we'll always be obsessed with the ltvcac ratio and looking at payback period and all of that stuff. But you know I think certain risks are totally appropriate. I would also say like the risk appetite or a company is definitely higher than most other companies I've I've worked for a lot of b two b saas companies and yeah, things just get things get approved a lot more easily here and sometimes you don't even have to go get the approval because. You know our Ceo encourages local decision making.51:51.24dgmgThat's great I mean that that makes a huge difference when you can just sure let's go. Let's go test it and let's go try it as supposed to like we have to make this huge business case just to do this.51:58.53AmritaYeah, yeah, and you know what? sometimes it's the Ceo that's coming up coming to us without his ideas like he's the best. He's like a mark. He's like a half economist half marketer at heart which is like the perfect combo because he's prudent but at the same time like he's like crazy and like has all these lack of ideas which is great. You.52:12.54dgmgYeah, yeah I meant that that that's that's fun I mean that that's that to me is like the ideal marketing job is when you have creative you know visionary type ideas coming to you and sometimes your job is to actually filter that you know you got to figure out. Okay, well.52:18.11AmritaAh, this is my.52:31.66dgmgJust said this now this is the complete opposite but which one which one should we do you know there's there's a lot of guessing at the same time. Um, okay I Rita this was great I I feel like I could have talk to you I could talk to you for 3 hours but I have to we got wrap up. Um I'd love to have you back on in the future for for a followup I think you're.52:34.43AmritaYeah, yes.52:43.45AmritaWith method.52:49.36dgmgAh, great to talk to a great interviewer a great person to have on this. You've interviewed me, you're great at that and it was fun to have you on this end. So I'd love to have you back at some point because there's a bunch of questions that I didn't get to but people can check you out on Linkedin we will put your Linkedin there they can go and check out superside superside dot com.52:54.93AmritaI Think it's a might.53:07.51dgmgAh, and if you liked this episode send amrita dm on Linkedin and be like hey I heard you on exit 5 and you're great and I hope more people find out about you and the company because it's been a pleasure to talk to you all right? I'll see you later I'll talk to you soon bye bye.53:18.98AmritaLikewise Thank you so much for having me talk to you soon.

Dave talks about building an audience on LinkedIn and whether or not LinkedIn followers are a "vanity metric" or not. Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.aiThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Meghan Anderson is VP of Marketing at Jasper. Jasper is an AI Content Platform that helps creators break through writer's block, create original illustrations, and adapt content for different formats, languages and tone. Meghan leads a talented team of marketers overseeing all of acquisition, customer marketing, field and product marketing, community, brand and creative. Prior to Jasper, Meghan served as CMO at the Wanderlust group and was VP of Marketing at HubSpot for nearly a decade.In this episode Meghan and Dave talk about:- How an accidental phone call led to her joining Jasper - What's going on at Jasper today- Innovative ways she's seeing marketing teams use Jasper- The difference between ChatGPT and Jasper- Building her team and the marketing team structure at Jasper- How company strategy impacts marketing team structure- And more; this was a fun conversation :)***Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.comExit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco***Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.aiThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Jimmy Daly (co-founder and CEO of Superpath). Jimmy is the former VP of Growth at Animalz (content marketing agency) who went out on his own to start the ultimate resource for content marketers like him: one place that covers strategy, management, writing, career development and more. This episode will be interesting to B2B content marketers and anyone that's ever had the thought "hey, I could start my own business out of this."- Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com- Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/- Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivecoThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors. Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

This episode is from a fireside chat Dave did with Bill Macaitis, former CMO at Slack and Zendesk during G2's 2023 "Reach" event on how to build a brand in an economic downturn. We cover what is a brand, what is brand marketing, 8 ways to fit a brand into a marketing strategy,  creating a brand centric product, and examples from Bill's work over the years. - Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com- Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/- Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivecoThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors. Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Just Dave on this short solo episode talking about how making a bet on a tool or technology can change the trajectory of your career and why it pays to be an early adopter.- Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com- Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/- Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivecoThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors. Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Just Dave on this short solo episode talking about constraints & guardrails.If you want to make better marketing decisions and struggle with a blank slate, listen to this. Make constraints. Put in a guardrails. Sometimes you will have plenty already in place, like budget, deadlines, or what's technically possible. But even without obvious constraints like those, you can force yourself to have some to help guide the decision making process. Guardrails can help move you from being stuck on making decisions because of the infinite possibilities of channels and campaigns. This is also why so often the answer to many marketing strategy questions here are "it depends" or "tell me more about X."Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors. Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Brandon Redlinger (VP Marketing at Crosschq). Prior to leading marketing at Crosschq, Brandon was Head of Demand Gen at Demandbase where he managed demand generation, ABM, content marketing, field marketing and partner marketing teams, and Head of Growth at Engagio where he led all content, website, corporate communications and digital marketing.By popular demand in the Exit Five community we wanted to do a dedicated episode on account-based marketing and cover all things ABM in this hour with Brandon, including: - Why take an ABM approach to marketing, which type of companies this go-to-market strategy makes sense for- Where to start with ABM- Guidance for working with sales on selecting target accounts, who owns the account selection process, where ops fits in between sales and marketing, and what "aligning" with sales actually looks like strategically and tactically- What elements are part of an effective ABM campaign and examples of successful ABM campaigns- Metrics and measurement- And more- Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com- Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/- Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivecoThanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors. Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by John Short (Founder & CEO of Compound Growth Marketing) to talk about the state of B2B marketing / B2B SaaS as a of December 2022 heading into the new year, tips for growing your career during a time when company growth might be slower, and why they are continuing to bet on LinkedIn organic as a key channel for B2B company growth.Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by his wife Lya in a rare guest appearance. This is a very special episode of the Exit Five podcast - it's a one episode revival of the podcast Dave and Lya did a few years ago called "What Parents Talk About" and Lya takes the mic to grill Dave on a few questions about solopreneurship, parenting, telling the truth on LinkedIn, the mental load, golf vs. work, being home together everyday and more.Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by one of his best friends from high school Tim McKone for a little change of pace podcast episode we are calling Outside of Work. Dave and Tim talk about getting into running, training for the Boston Marathon, why running makes a great hobby, falling back in love with sports, Dave's love for golf, how Tim got into his career in sports media and working at 98.5 The Sports Hub, the top local sports radio station in the country and more. You can find Tim on Twitter @Tim_McKone. Connect with Dave on Instagram @davegerhardt1. Should I do more of these types of episodes? Send me a message on Instagram - @davegerhardt1 or an email to questions@davegerhardt.comThanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Eyal Webber-Zvik is VP of Product Marketing at Cato Networks. Cato is a company in the networking and security space current over $100M in annual revenue. In his role, Eyal manages a global team of product marketing directors that are tasked driving the company's messaging, position, press and media relations, and more. Previously, Eyal ran Cato's product management organization and he has more than 20 years of experience in engineering, product management and product marketing. Dave and Eyal talk about the role of product marketing in global organization that is driven by field sales, creating the company narrative and sales deck, and more.Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Lauren Vaccarello is Chief Marketing Officer at Salesloft. Dave and Lauren talk about how Lauren landed at Salesloft, the first six months in her new role, what to look for when evaluating marketing leadership roles, the relationship between sales and marketing, and lessons from her experiences from public company CMO to startup marketing exec to head of digital at Salesforce in the early 2010's.- Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com- Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/- Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfivecoThanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave shares the 16 lessons he wishes he knew as a first-time marketing leader, going from marketing manager to CMO in four years. This is a recording from Metadata's DEMAND 2022 virtual event in October 2022. The lessons include: Forget the acronyms & best practices, use your brain. Ultimately there are only three ways to grow a business: get more new customers, increase the transaction value, increase how often people buy from you. You can get lost in the MQL PQL SQL SAL definitions and best practices. Get back to the basics and operate from first principles. You need a story to be successful in B2B. Call it a category, call it a movement. Regardless, you need a story that people can bring to their boss about why they should buy your product beyond features + benefits. HubSpot created inbound marketing. Gainsight championed customer success. Drift conversational marketing. Each led through education + expertise and showed people a new way of doing things. Sell the vision and the story. You need to sweat the "offer" - request a demo and contact sales are only going to convert for the highest intent prospects. You need other offers. HubSpot's website grader. Drift did a "test drive" to test the chatbot on your website before talking to anyone. Demandwell has a free SEO audit. Clari has a revenue leakage calculator. These are all smart ideas that are still further down the funnel than ebook but work to get qualified buyers in to eventually talk to sales. Avoid incremental thinking. You can waste so many cycles thinking that the next homepage variation or the email series is going to be the thing that gets you out of the revenue hole. Rarely does "nurturing" solve the problem. Take bigger swings. You must find a way to get on the same page as sales, no matter what. Find a way to put all the internal politics aside. You will never be successful unless you can marketing sales + marketing = revenue *together*. Find out how the VP of sales is comped and do everything in your power to get on the same page. Health teams gives bonuses based on company goals not team goals. Find out and fix it. Manage up to the CEO if needed. Life is 100% easier when sales + marketing have shared revenue goals. Make finance and ops your best friends. YOU HAVE PLENTY TO DO ON YOUR OWN, YOUR JOB IS NOT FINANCE AND OPS I PROMISE YOU!!!! But instead find a way to make them your key business partners. Same way you need to be on the same team as sales, you need to be on the same team with finance and ops. Make them your best friends - collaborate on marketing as a business function Don’t be like 28 year old Dave “I got this myself” - DON’T GET DEFENSIVE - take the help, work together. Show your work and master internal communication. Top complaint: I never know what marketing is doing. If you can’t get the people inside fired up, how will customers be? Top complaint: Marketing is doing a lot, but no idea how it fits our goals. You must always be sharing the bigger picture, related to company goals. Some systems I like: Slack: sharing screenshots, work in progress, teasers, etc. Weekly, monthly, quarterly recaps - here’s what marketing is up to . Take any opportunity to present to the company you can get. Create cross-functional check-ins with marketing, product, sales, CS, finance, ops, together. Marketing is the leadership department as Christopher Lochhead says. Make it that way. Lead by example. You're supposed to be the best communicators in the company right? You must be able to articulate what your marketing strategy is. Don’t get lost in the tactics - see too much of this today. It’s the job of the marketing leader to have a vision for HOW the company does marketing. ABM? Product led? Both? SMB? Mid Market? Enterprise? Be intentional about your approach. You cant take the peanut butter approach and spread average stuff everywhere and expect to win. FOCUS. But also what type of marketing, what brand do you want to be? Have a view on the market, have a view on how you’ll do marketing this year, have a POV on what good marketing looks like. Ex: at Privy we sold to small businesses so we knew they weren't marketing experts and our marketing had to speak to them and they didn't have a lot of time to figure it out, so we had to lead with simple + clear + educational content. You must be able to think short term and long term. Hitting today's goal is great, but what about when the plan jumps 50% next year? You need to be able to build the foundation for that now or you'll wish you did a year from now. Spend 70% of your time on today and 30% of your time on next year/tomorrow. Be disciplined about laying the groundwork for next year and beyond and it will payoff. What will your next channels be? Where can you get future growth from? Start testing and learning now before you need it. Then you can be ready to turn it on. Manage up to the CEO. She cares about two things: revenue and the story. Keep your communication + collaboration tight to those things. She doesnt need to know every detail about what's going on inside of your org and you shouldn't let her. Manage up and get help around revenue and the story. Focus your efforts there. You have to making hiring your job not your side project. People are everything. You know that. Every HBR article ever has said it. But candidates are not going to magically fall on your lap you must treat this like your own marketing program. It's not HR / recruiters job it's your job - no one will know who to hire better than you. Build a brand for yourself in the market. Get religious about sourcing via LinkedIn. Make it your full-time job. Even if you're not hiring you should always be meeting great marketers -- at least so you can model / know what great looks like. Keep a list of your dream team. Make a spreadsheet of names of great people you'd hire if you could one day. You never know. Create your own momentum. It's 2022. You dont need to wait for Gartner or Forrester to write about you. You dont need the product team to ship the one key feature. Marketing is ultimately about content. You can create your own momentum by thinking like a publishing company. Create regular marketing launches. We called them "marketable moments" this can be content, research, reports, events. And then hopefully yes you have product shipping regularly and can do regular product launches too. But stick to a monthly launch calendar. Make some noise every month on your own, no matter what ingredients you have from the company or product team. Set the dates in advance. Dates and deadlines drive action. At Drift we launched the first Tuesday of every month, regardless. It helped us create our own momentum and was a competitive advantage -- PLUS it was contagious and pushed the rest of the the company to ship more too, especially the product team. They wanted to keep up with us. Your job is to get the job done. Doesn't matter if your hire internally, agency, outsource, use an intern or your grandmother. As the marketing leader they are paying you to deliver the result. Put that above everything else especially your ego. That's the biggest difference between the marketing leader and the individual contributor. It's not necessarily your job to do it but its your job to get it DONE. Do the job internally first before hiring externally. Always test and prove - at least get some signal internally. “What should the role of events manager do?” - no idea, you find out. Ex: you think you want to hire a partner marketing person; great make it part of product marketing's role for a quarter to test and learn. Ex: you want to hire for PR. Great. Make it part of your job for a quarter. You’ll never know what good looks like, how to measure, etc. unless you test it first. You can do this for almost any role / any “job" - I've made many mistakes because I didnt do this first. Get comfortable making bets without perfect data. You will rarely have all of the data / perfect data. Ultimately marketing is about making bets. Attribution doesn’t tell you what to do, it’s an input, something to help guide you. Even in our “data driven world”, must be able to act + make a bet + make a gut decision. That’s the skill (and the fun) of this job  Spend the budget. Dont be afraid of it. Use it. That's what it's there for. Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Anthony Kennada is is co-founder & CEO of AudiencePlus, a company building software, content, and community to help businesses become media companies. Prior to founding AudiencePlus, Anthony served as the CMO of Hopin, Front, and Gainsight.Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by Peter Mahoney (Founder & CEO at Plannuh) to break down how to create your 2023 marketing plan. We cover:1. Overall approach to building a plan2. Setting goals, metrics, and targets3. Building a framework for marketing campaigns over the year4. Modeling funnels and determining cost per opportunity5. Determining how much marketing budget to spend6. Selling your plan to the CEO, CFO, and getting it approvedThanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by Chris Walker (CEO, Refine Labs) to share a scientific process/framework you can use to build, prove, and scale marketing programs they call Revenue R&D. This is a great listen for anyone thinking about marketing planning, where to make bets for the year, how to prove new channels, and how to think like an executive when it comes to revenue generation.Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by John Short, Founder & CEO of Compound Growth Marketing. John spent a decade as a B2B SaaS marketer at LogMeIn, Yesware, and Workable before starting is his own full-funnel marketing agency in 2018. John is focused on helping companies find the right strategy in order to grow, as opposed to just blindly picking from a menu of marketing tactics. His company helps B2B marketers with everything from infrastructure (marketing ops and analytics), customer acquisition, funnel optimization, and scaling growth. Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by Latane Contant. She's CMO at 6Sense and author of the book "No Forms. No Spam. No Cold Calls." They discuss:- The underrated ability to drive revenue through operational excellence- Why 6sense runs a 100% account-based revenue motion- The daily dashboard she uses and the whole company has visibility into to see how marketing is "doing"- The power of focusing only on the most winnable accounts- What she credits 6sense's revenue growth of 100% YoY each of the last 4 years to- Why you can’t run last minute plays in quarter to close a revenue gap - Why she doesn't care if pipeline is sales source or marketing sourced- An update to her book "No Forms. No Spam. No Cold Calls."Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Win/loss analysis is one of the most important tools B2B marketers can be using to get insight and drive revenue across the company. Dave sits down with Trenton Romph, Head of Marketing at Clozd to breakdown how to do win/loss analysis at your company, and this session is a great premer for anyone not familiar with this topic. One of the keys to getting ahead in B2B marketing is to be always be listening / learning for new ideas you can bring into your company to help improve the business, and this is a perfect session for marketers who want to keep a seat at the leadership table. Beyond marketing, win/loss analysis is an incredible tool to help get the whole company rallied around why people buy, why they leave, and what you can do to fix leaks in your funnel.Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by Common Room COO Jake Randall to talk about B2B community building, why top companies like dbt Labs, Asana, Figma, Notion and more are investing in community, what the heck "community" actually means, what success looks like, plus B2B marketing lessons from Jake's 10 year run as VP at Okta.This episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave talks to Leela Srinivasan, who is now CMO at Checkout.com during her time as CMO at Survey Monkey in 2020. Leela broke down her marketing rhythms, how she structured her team, performance reviews, and more. This conversation will give you a good look at how a top B2B CMO thinks about marketing and managing her team.This episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by Shauntle Barley, Director of Marketing at Demandwell, and Egan Montgomery, Director of Go-To-Market at High Alpha for a conversation all across the board in B2B SaaS marketing including marketing budget benchmarks, how to think about building demand gen programs, where to start, thoughts from SaaStr 2022, getting thought leadership from the CEO, finding peers, lessons from Amanda Natividad and Chris Walker, why everyone in B2B is talking about community and more.This episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave interviews "Obviously Awesome" author and positioning expert April Dunford.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is in interviewed by Goldcast founder Palash Soni about this idea that B2B marketing teams should be thinking like media companies. They share what "build a media company" actually means for B2B marketers and give you tactical examples and ideas you can bring to your company if you're interested in this idea.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by Gong CMO Udi Ledergor. He's a five-time Marketing leader at B2B start-ups and is currently the CMO at Gong, the Revenue Intelligence category leader helping go-to-market teams close more deals and accelerate growth by capturing, understanding and acting on their most important asset – customer interactions. This conversation first appeared on Dave's B2B Marketing Leaders podcast (which is now Exit Five) in 2020.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by Goldcast Founder & CEO Palash Soni. Goldcast helps B2B marketers at companies like Toast, Github, Drift, Salesloft, and Starburst run engaging events that build pipeline. Dave and Palash talk about the world of event marketing today and lessons from Goldcast's startup marketing efforts over the last two years and his perspective on the role of marketing as Founder/CEO.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by Henry Johnson. Henry is  an ex Software Sales rep that recently made the jump to be a full time entrepreneur and now owns a Shopify app called IziGift. Dave and Henry talking about quitting jobs, buying a Shopify app, podcasting as a strategy, audience building, and more. All over the map.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave and Daniel Murray (Founder, Marketing Millennials and Head of Media at Sales Impact Academy) spend an hour talking LinkedIn strategy for B2B marketers and founders.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by Chris Walker (CEO, Refine Labs). They talk about finding your best skills, articulating a company POV, developing a marketing strategy, a framework for demand generation, self reported attribution, LinkedIn, community, observations from what Refine Labs is seeing with B2B marketers today, and lessons from Chris' own LinkedIn strategy.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave takes questions about B2B marketing from the Exit Five community with guest Breezy Beaumont (Head of Growth, Correlated). They talk about: career growth, marketing at an early stage startup, content/SEO, prioritizing marketing a young company, creating a category, how to build momentum, and more.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by Mitch Causey (Founder & CEO of Demandwell) to talk about SEO and what B2B marketers need to know about SEO in 2022. This recording is from a live session we did a few months back.  Dave and Mitch help you understand how to think about SEO as a strategy in 2022, discuss what’s going on in SEO today, how top B2B SaaS companies are executing on SEO, the biggest opportunities in SEO, common mistakes and myths, who should own SEO, where SEO should sit inside of a marketing team team, and how to measure success with SEO.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

This episode is from a live "Marketing Sells" Q&A session hosted by the team at Clearbit focused on questions about aligning sales and marketing teams featuring Dave, Colin White (Head of Demand Gen., Clearbit), Tara Robertson (Sr. Manager, Demand Gen., Chilipiper) and Matt Ferriss (Sr. Director, Enterprise Sales, Bombora). This conversation these questions below: How can you get buy-in from leadership to be closer aligned to revenue metrics? (Pipeline, Revenue etc) During planning season (quarterly/yearly), how closely should marketing/sales work together to get to the number? What cadence is ideal for Sales and Marketing teams to meet? Best way to deliver feedback between Sales and Marketing? Top tips on creating great sales<>marketing alignment? What are the top marketing materials/documentation that Sales teams actually care about? How should marketing teams contribute to cold outbound efforts? What do the best sales reps do before and after every meeting? How can marketing help? What strategies and tactics can Marketing & Sales use together targeting Enterprise accounts? Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demosHere’s how it works: Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.  Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.  Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.  SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitorsGo to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.

Dave is joined by Breezy Beaumont (Head of Growth, Correlated) and Andrew Capland (Founder of Delivering Value, Previously at Wistia, Postscript) to talk all things product-led growth and B2B startup marketing.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.

Dave is joined by Sara-Beth Anders, SVP Marketing at Guild Education. Sara-Beth also previously held roles as Director of Product Marketing at LinkedIn and Director of Product & Customer Marketing at Greenhouse.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.

Dave is joined by Amanda Natividad (VP Marketing, SparkToro) and Kaylee Edmondson (Director of Demand Gen, brightwheel). Switching up the format and bringing on two startup marketing leaders doing the doing.Work in B2B marketing? Join 3,000 marketing pros in the private Exit Five community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.

Peep Laja is founderand CEO at Wynter and CXL.Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.

Dave talks about B2B marketing strategy and overall company strategy, which includes intentionally defining where you play and how you'll win."It's impossible to create a marketing strategy for a business that has no clear company strategy." Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.

Jaleh Rezaei is CEO and co-founder at Mutiny. Mutiny helps SaaS companies personalize their website for each visitor to improve conversion and drive revenue. Prior to starting Mutiny, Jaleh was employee 12 and CMO at Gusto, where she grew the company 100x to 50,000 customers over 4 years. Mutiny is a no-code AI platform that helps marketers convert their top of funnel demand into revenue, without engineers. Mutiny is used by the world’s fastest growing companies like Ramp, Notion, Snowflake, Qualtrics, Dropbox, Carta, and Brex. Mutiny gives marketers everything they need to drive revenue and prove it — from data and analytics to AI-powered recommendations and content writing.Marketing leaders are under increasing pressure to drive revenue and to do it quickly…like right away. And if they don’t, they’re promptly shown the door. During this live session for Exit Five Dave and Jaleh dive into what it takes to deliver predictable revenue and thrive as a B2B SaaS CMO in 2022. They share lessons on turning top of the funnel traffic into revenue and cover strategies from top B2B SaaS companies today, including: Lessons from Jaleh’s run as CMO at Gusto where she grew the company 100x to 50,000 customers over 4 years. How to deliver revenue as a startup marketing leader. What CEOs look for when building a marketing leadership team. Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Janessa Lantz is VP of Marketing at dbt Labs an open source data transformation tool used by ~9000 companies. Prior to dbt Labs Janessa worked at HubSpot as Senior Manager, Communications and Director of Marketing at RJ Metrics. Dave and Janessa talk about how dbt Labs has built a community of 25,000+ professionals in analytics and data engineering, lessons as a first-time startup marketing leader, building a relationship with the CEO, transitioning from specialist to generalist, the power of building a training program for customers, and how to build your own publishing company as a B2B SaaS brand. Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave is joined by Metadata founder and CEO Gil Allouche to discuss what the CEO really wants out of marketing, how to present to the board, what the revenue function looks like at Metadata, Gil's path from engineer to CMO to CEO, category creation, the muscle of being frugal, the future of martech, and why Metadata is focused on building the "operating system" for marketers today.Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave shares his perspective on internal marketing, how to drive alignment with marketing across the company, and what the CEO really cares about when it comes to what marketing is doing. Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Kaylee Edmondson is Director of Demand Generation at brightwheel and previously ran demand generation at Chili Piper. Dave and Kaylee talk through what demand gen looks like at a high performing B2B SaaS company today, lessons from scaling demand gen at Chili Piper, LinkedIn organic social strategy and more.Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Amanda Malko is Chief Marketing Officer at G2, the world's largest and most trusted software marketplace. More than 60 million people annually - including employees at all of the Fortune 500 - use G2 to make smarter software decisions based on authentic peer reviews. Prior to G2 Amanda was Head of Partner Programs & Marketing at Mailchimp, and she was also CMO at Tongal and 360i. Amanda and Dave discuss her role as G2 CMO, how she's structured her team, revenue marketing vs. demand generation, who should own reviews on the marketing team (product vs. customer marketing), lessons from her time at Mailchimp, and more.Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Kathleen Estreich and Emily Kramer are the co-founders of MKT1. They advise founders, recruit and advise marketers, and invest in SaaS startups, and join Dave on this episode of the Exit Five podcast to talk about early-stage marketing strategy and hiring (Kathleen and Emily have held roles at Facebook, Box, Intercom, Scalr, Asana, Carta). They also have strong opinions about marketing compensation and how to understand your comp and equity package if you're a Seed or Series A marketing leader. Here's the early-stage compensation explainer they reference:https://mkt1.substack.com/p/marketing-compensationConnect with Kathleen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kestreich/ Connect with Emily: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilykramer/Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Dave and guest Daniel Murray (The Marketing Millenials) share tips to help you grow your audience on LinkedIn. They talk about why LinkedIn is still underrated as a marketing channel for B2B companies, why types of content to create, how to get content out of the founder, how to figure out what's working / what's not, the biggest mistakes people make with LinkedIn, and more. It's an hour on organic LinkedIn strategy if you're into that kinda stuff.Follow Daniel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Follow Dave: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davegerhardt/Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Kevin "KD" Dorsey (Practice Lead: Sales Leadership at Winning by Design) joins Dave to talk about his experience as a B2B SaaS VP of sales, the power of understanding how people buy, why he loves copywriting (and some of the exact email scripts he uses), the six questions he asks when calling new customers, his opinion on the sales deck, and why he'd work in marketing if he wasn't working in sales. Follow Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kddorsey3/  Follow Dave: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davegerhardt/Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Deidre Hudson (CMO at Payability) joins Dave to talk about her experience as a B2B CMO, why you need to think like an operator, why demand gen is not a silver bullet, the four pillars of running marketing: people, performance, process, programs, why more B2B SaaS companies are building communities, the power of setting clear goals, getting inside your customers head, the cyclical nature of B2B marketing channels and more.Follow Deidre: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deidrehudson/ Follow Dave: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davegerhardt/Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Sydney Sloan (former Salesloft CMO, 2x CMO) joins Dave to talk about her time at Salesloft helping the company grow from $15-$100M+ ARR and ultimately a $2.3B valuation after Vista equity bought a majority stake in the company.  They talk about how to pick the right company as CMO, how Salesloft went about category creation, going from stunts to predictable revenue, marketing in a competitive marketing (Outreach vs. Salesloft vs. Clari), why you need to spend the budget, how to hire and navigate career progression, and her career as a marketing leader.Follow Sydney: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sydsloan/Follow Dave: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davegerhardt/Be a part of the Exit Five B2B marketing community at exitfive.comThis episode is brought to you by Metadata: https://metadata.io/ Metadata helps demand gen. marketers automate paid campaigns and drive more revenue. Learn why more B2B SaaS companies are using Metadata to grow revenue at Metadata.io.Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Harsh but necessary reality check: You have to limit the number of people who have input on your positioning and messaging statements. That's not me trying to be rude to anyone on your team, it's just the fact of the matter. More people meddling in your company story muddies it up. And since your story is your strategy, a muddy story means a muddy strategy. Positioning tips, the key ingredients to your marketing strategy, and more.

Every marketer struggles with strategy. Especially early on in the year when you're still ironing everything out and trying to look ahead to Q2. When you find yourself overwhelmed with planning, take a step back and remember the ultimate goal of marketing is to make sales easier. That's where you start. Quick chat about strategy and my simple marketing planning framework.

There's always some internal BS that will get in the way of marketing success. And too often, it's your CEO wanting to change the brand narrative. Sometimes they don't get it. Sometimes they don't think it's strong enough. Either way, it's a headache that a lot of marketers have to deal with. Quick ten minute or so rant on your company story and how you can get on the same page with your CEO. 

I did a live Q&A with a bunch of DGMG members in December 2021 and we hit on a range of topics from hiring to attribution to career growth and more. This is 45 minutes all over the map in marketing if you're into that kind of stuff.

How to Become a Marketing Leader (The Path To CMO w/TigerConnect CMO Wendy White) Any ambitious marketer has dreams of one day being called CMO. You get to call the shots, make the big decisions, and control where the budget goes. It's the peak of the marketing profession. But the path from enterprising young marketer to chief marketing officer isn't always a clear one. And without any guidance from those who came before you, it can seem an almost unattainable title. So my friend Wendy White, CMO of TigerConnect and one of the best marketing leaders working today, joined me for about an hour on a live session to talk about how you can navigate the path to CMO. Key takeaways include: How both Wendy and I navigated marketing leadership roles How you can stand out in your current role and distinguish yourself as a future marketing leader Answers to some of the most commonly asked questions about marketing leadership from fellow DGMG members davegerhardt.com

How I think about measuring brand for B2B startups and some tips on developing (and articulating) a brand strategy that the CEO and the rest of the exec team will get onboard with. Say hey on Twitter @davegerhardt.com and learn more on my site davegerhardt.com

First some quick background on my new company DGMG and all of the things you can find right now on davegerhardt.com. Plus: everyone wants a good company tagline right? A nice one-liner. Most of them try to do too much. So I'm sharing a quick tip to help you avoid that mistake and create a clear and direct one-liner for your company. Tweet at me @davegerhardt and learn more about what I'm doing at davegerhardt.com

I'm going all in on DGMG. Listen to this episode to hear why I quit my job and what I'm doing next. Plus: welcome to my new podcast feed. More to come here soon and at davegerhardt.com