*Content warning: sexual assault, childhood abuse, trauma, true crime, and murder. This week we're taking a break from our regularly-scheduled survivor interviews to answer listeners' questions. Thank you so much for the continuous support of What Came Next, the survivors we interview, and the brands that sponsor us. Please also consider re-listening to (or sharing) some of your favorite episodes until next week! Something Was Wrong/What Came Next submissions https://somethingwaswrong.com/submissions/ What Came Next Podcast Instagram http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast [John-Michael Lander] An Athlete's Silence https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000619765637 [Kelly Gee] What Happens Next // Part 2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kelly-gee-what-happens-next-part-2/id1674051643?i=1000641401487 End Violence Against Women International https://evawintl.org/ For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: domestic violence, capital punishment, abduction, rape, and murder. Stacie McBride-Cox is a mother, sister, educator, and former lawyer. Her faith and fortitude were deeply tested in 1995, after the abduction and murder of her beloved sister, Tracie. Since then, The McBride family’s efforts for awareness have been seen on Good Morning America, Inside Edition, The 1990’s: The Deadliest Decade, and more.  Stacie’s poise, power, & perspective amidst all that came next for her family is truly unrivaled, and a testament to the role model she had in her big sister, Tracie. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful that Stacie was willing to share her nearly thirty-year journey of heartache and healing with us today.  Stacie’s Instagram http://www.instagram.com/staciemcbridecox Tracie Joy McBride Scholarship Fund: http://www.tjmscholarshipfund.com Gold Star Families: https://www.army.mil/goldstar/ The 1990’s: The Deadliest Decade: https://www.discoveryplus.com/show/1990s-the-deadliest-decade What Came Next Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast Thank you again to Babbel and Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode. Remember to visit http://babbel.com/WCN to get 55% off your Babbel subscription and start learning today! Rules and restrictions may apply.  And don't forget to upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made. Go to http://trymiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your free 3-piece towel set and save over 40% off. Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! For further resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: cyberstalking, stalking, death threats, and abduction. Lenora Claire is a survivor, advocate, producer, private investigator, and consultant from Los Angeles, California. Her career in entertainment and the arts skyrocketed in the early 2000’s, but were largely derailed when she began to face stalking at the hands of a perpetrator that also stalks several celebrities. Her experiences in the legal system, within the media, and in helping other survivors since have propelled her to redefine herself several times over. As a result, she serves the survivor community deeply in many different ways, no matter what continues to come next in her journey, and we are so honored she is sharing a portion of it all with us today. Lenora Claire https://www.lenoraclairellc.com/ Lenora's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lenoraclaire Special K Investigations https://www.specialkpi.com/ Sparc https://www.stalkingawareness.org/ Special K Investigations https://www.specialkpi.com/ For more resources or a list of non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, suicide, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse. As he shared in 'Against Big Odds // Part One,' Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach, and the current powerhouse executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving ongoing sexual abuse at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling: being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize all that continues to come next for him in his journey for justice and peace to change present and future resources and support for all victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Kelly’s advocacy and continued efforts for survivors, as well as for this conversation.  Survivors for Change https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ Survivor for Change Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheS4C/ The Incubation of Silence https://vimeo.com/549070172?share=copy The Army of Survivors https://thearmyofsurvivors.org/ Child USA https://childusa.org/ “I Was One of Them:’ Kelly Gee Speaks Out via The Athletic https://theathletic.com/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/ This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/WCN and celebrate the progress you’ve already made. Don’t forget, you’ll get 10% off your first month if you visit betterhelp.com/WCN For more resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Additional help and resources are available 24 hours a day at the National Sexual Assault Hotline, which can be reached at 1 800 656 4673  and the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. You are not alone.

Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse. Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach and the current executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving horrific sexual abuse And trafficking at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize all that continues to come next for him in his journey for justice and peace to change, present and future resources and support for all victims.  Survivors for Change https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ “I Was One of Them:’ Kelly Gee Speaks Out via The Athletic https://theathletic.com/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/ The Incubation of Silence Private Screening https://www.survivorsforchange.org/livestream This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/WCN and celebrate the progress you’ve already made. Don’t forget, you’ll get 10% off your first month if you visit betterhelp.com/WCN For more resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Additional help and resources are available 24 hours a day at the National Sexual Assault Hotline, which can be reached at 1 800 656 4673  and the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. You are not alone.

Content warning: gun violence, homicide, murder, and substance abuse. Evin and Melissa Marshall shared about the heartbreaking loss of Evin's father, Richard, in part one of their story. The Broken Cycle media team is extremely grateful they were willing to share more of their journey, healing, and the trauma that they continue to sift through in the wake of Richard's absence. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Richard Donald Marshall.    Food For Lane County https://www.foodforlanecounty.org/ For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: gun violence, homicide, murder, and substance abuse. Melissa and Evin Marshall's lives changed forever in late February of 2021. The murder of Evin's beloved father, Richard Donald Marshall, deeply impacted people across the country. Evan and Melissa's consequent heartbreak didn't end there though, and neither has their tenacity. Relatedly, it means so much that they were willing to discuss their journey, and all that ensued afterwards with us on What Came next. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Richard Donald Marshall.   Food For Lane County https://www.foodforlanecounty.org/ For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: abuse, child abuse, gun violence, grief, loss, death, and murder. Chaplain Peggy has been a victim and patient advocate for over twenty years. She found her calling after America faced mass tragedy on September 11th 2001. After that day, she felt forced to answer a deeper call to serve her community, especially for those members in greater need. She also is co-host on the impactful podcast, Near Death, with Nikki Boyer, on which she shares more about her grief work. This conversation with Chaplain Peggy is deeply appreciated. This is also the very first interview we have conducted with an advocate that does not identify as a victim herself, but who has brought much healing and support to the victim community. We are so very grateful for her work with victims and other patients alike, as well as this candid conversation about the intricacies of her experiences as a chaplain in the most populous county in the United States. Near Death podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/near-death/id1689779166 Peggy's Instagram http://www.instagram.com/chaplainpeggy For more resources and a list of non-profit organizations, please visit: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources  

*Content warning: suicidal ideation, stalking, cyberstalking, arson, death threats, violent threats. As shared in Part One of Vanessa V.'s story, we first heard from her on the podcast, Unraveled: The Stalker’s Web in 2021, and via the documentary of the same title in 2022. However, her journey as a stalking victim started nearly two decades before her media-based advocacy journey began. Over those two decades, Vanessa experienced escalating, cyclical cyberstalking that effected all facets of her life. Still, Vanessa’s tenacity and strength shines through, as she continues to reinvent herself amidst all that comes next in her battle to be recognized and to receive justice.   Unraveled: The Stalker's Web Podcast https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/podcasts/unraveled-the-stalkers-web N.Y. Post w/ Vanessa & Rachel https://nypost.com/2021/06/13/women-call-out-staten-island-cyber-stalker-for-revenge-porn/

*Content warning: suicidal ideation, stalking, cyberstalking, arson, death threats, violent threats, and murder. Vanessa V. was first heard on the podcast, Unraveled: The Stalker’s Web in 2021, and via the documentary of the same title in 2022. However, her journey as a stalking victim started nearly two decades before her media-based advocacy journey began. Over those two decades, Vanessa experienced escalating, cyclical cyberstalking that effected all facets of her life. Still, Vanessa’s tenacity and strength shines through, as she continues to reinvent herself amidst all that comes next in her battle to be recognized and to receive justice.   Unraveled: The Stalker's Web https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/podcasts/unraveled-the-stalkers-web

Content warning: substance use disorder, substance abuse, sex work, statutory rape, child abuse, sexual abuse, rape, serial rape, murder, and serial murder. Denise Winters is a mother, author, YouTuber, and victim advocate from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. After a very tumultuous childhood, Denise’s heartache did not stop. She was brutally attacked and raped by a man in her neighborhood in her early twenties. For years, she attempted to report her assault via many different avenues, especially when she realized her attacker was a serial killer haunting Milwaukee and surrounding areas over the span of two decades. Despite never receiving personal justice, she has continued to speak out on behalf of the North Side Strangler’s other victims, and to end the silence she was met with for years. She does so via her book, The Untold Story, The One Who Got Away, as well as her YouTube channel, Sip and Speak the Tea with D and D (which also features Danette Ousley, Denise's cousin, who is another What Came Next guest). The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for the advocacy and inspiration Denise has mustered, despite all that came next in her journey. Denise's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/denisewinters12 The Untold Story: The One Who Got Away https://amzn.to/3RmOkrU Sip and Speak the Tea with D & D https://www.youtube.com/@sipandspeaktheteawithdd1509 [Danette Ousley] Walk By Faith https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000605680032

Content warning: cruelty towards animals, animal abuse, death threats, domestic violence, psychological, emotional, mental, and physical abuse, murder. As shared in last week’s episode and Part 1 of her story, Sarah Manos is a high school educator and victim advocate from Chicago. After escaping a highly abusive relationship and losing her canine companions Kirby and Daisy to her abuser, Sarah has chosen to share her experiences in and out of the legal and criminal justice system to bring awareness to society and hope to other survivors. She also takes to TikTok to bring ultimate awareness to the women of Illinois, building a community of nearly 70,000 people. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for all that Sarah does to teach victims different avenues of advocacy and justice. This episode is dedicated to Kirby & Daisy. Please note this episode does mention animal abuse & cruelty towards animals. If you or someone you know are experiencing domestic violence, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources for a list of non-profit organizations that can help. Sarah's TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@sarahs_story Sarah’s Story podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sarahs-story/id1643430859 Sarah’s Petition https://www.change.org/p/justice-for-kirby-daisy-two-dogs-horrifically-abused-and-killed-by-mathew-berry PETA https://support.peta.org/ The Humane Society/The Anti-Cruelty Society https://anticruelty.org/ Animal Legal Defense Fun https://aldf.org/ Sarah in the Chicago Sun Times https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2021/2/17/22281511/bumble-dogs-killed-sarah-manos-matthew-berry-arlington-heights

Content warning: animal cruelty, animal abuse, domestic violence, psychological, emotional, mental, and physical abuse, stalking, and death threats. Sarah Manos is a high school educator and victim advocate from Chicago. In Part One of her story, Sarah shares how she loses her canine companions Kirby and Daisy to her abuser, and eventually escapes the horrifying relationship. In the wake of her loss, Sarah has chosen to share her experiences in and out of the legal and criminal justice system to bring awareness to society and hope to other survivors. She also takes to TikTok to bring ultimate awareness to the women of Illinois, building a community of nearly 70,000 people. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for all that Sarah does to teach victims different avenues of advocacy and justice. This episode is dedicated to Kirby & Daisy. Please note this episode does mention animal abuse & cruelty towards animals. If you or someone you know are experiencing domestic violence, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources for a list of non-profit organizations that can help.   Sarah's TikTok in honor of Kirby & Daisy https://www.tiktok.com/@sarahs_story Sarah’s Instagram in honor of Kirby & Daisy https://instagram.com/sarahs_story_official The National Domestic Violence Hotline https://www.thehotline.org/ Animal Legal Defense Fund https://aldf.org/

*Content warning: rape, murder, serial murder. Commissioner Jennifer Morrison has had a long career in public safety and law enforcement. However, her trajectory as an advocate became clearer with the life-altering loss of two dear friends during her formative, college years. It is with this same passion for justice and advocacy that she began a prolific career in public safety, becoming the first female police chief of Colchester County, Vermont and the first female public safety commissioner of the state of Vermont. Her more recent, related efforts in the media are what brought us together though; the Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful she was willing to share all that came next in her journey of advocacy, which includes the creation of her riveting, impactful program, The Hero Maker Podcast. This episode is dedicated to Rachael Raver, Warren Fulton, the seven other lives lost at the hands of their murderer, and the survivors and co-victims effected by these horrific tragedies. The Hero Maker Podcast https://www.theheromakerpodcast.com/ The Center for Council https://www.centerforcouncil.org/ Poynter Institute https://www.poynter.org/ The Hero Maker Podcast on X http://www.x.com/TheHeroMakerPod Andrea Shreeman on X http://www.x.com//AndreaShreeman The Hero Maker Podcast on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/@TheHeroMakerPod The Hero Maker Podcast on TikTok http://www.tiktok.com/@TheHeroMakerPod The Hero Maker Podcast on Instagram http://www.instagram.com/TheHeroMakerPod Prudent Pictures on Instagram  http://www.instagram.com/PrudentPictures The Hero Maker Podcast on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TheHeroMakerPod For additional resources or related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: divorce, stalking, cyberstalking, murder, and capital murder. Caitlin Mathis is a victim advocate and survivor from Texas. In the summer between graduating high school and entering college, she began a relationship with a man whose future actions would change her life, and a whole town, forever. After consequently navigating the inner workings of the law enforcement and criminal justice systems during her college years, she now shares in the media all that came next in her journey. Caitlin hopes to inspire awareness and change for survivors everywhere, in honor of Jackie Vandagriff and all other victims. We are so grateful for her work and all the good she’s spurred from her heartache. SPARC: Stalking Prevention, Awareness, & Resource Center https://www.stalkingawareness.org/stalking-awareness-month/ Jackie's endowment: https://giving.twu.edu/donor-relations/vandagriff-scholars For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: divorce, conversion therapy, reorientation therapy, cyberstalking, stalking, fraudulent reporting, emotional and psychological abuse, death threats, and criminal threats. Danny Cords is an organizational psychologist and victim advocate from Seattle. He began harnessing his voice and speaking out for others after leaving conversion therapy in his late teens. But his advocacy mission only intensified after being subjected to years of cyberstalking. He hopes to bring awareness and healing to victims all over the world, as well as legal change too. His related (and unrelated) work and efforts have been featured on the stage, television, radio, podcasts, and more. We are extremely grateful that Danny was willing to share all that came next in his personal, professional, legal, and media journeys. This conversation is even more timely, considering October is Cyberstalking Awareness Month. Danny Cords's website https://www.dannycords.com/ Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency Info on Cyberstalking Awareness Month https://www.cisa.gov/cybersecurity-awareness-month Rand Corporation on Cybersecurity https://www.rand.org/topics/cybersecurity.html Stalking Prevention, Awareness, & Resource Center stalking statistics https://www.stalkingawareness.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/General-Stalking-Infographic.pdf Organization for Social Media Safety https://www.socialmediasafety.org/ End Tab endtab.org The GSBA https://thegsba.org/ Strictly Stalking Podcast https://www.instagram.com/strictlystalkingpod/ And don't forget to check out Ten Things to Tell You with Laura Tremaine on your preferred podcasting platform! For additional resources, please visit: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: domestic abuse, child abuse, domestic violence, and non-consensual pornography. As shared in Part One of [WCN Presents] SWW S14 Updates, Season 14 of Something Was Wrong began airing on October 20th, 2022 and the last episode aired on January 3rd, 2023. The season highlighted the narratives of Kaylan, Melissa, and Sara and their very toxic, abusive relationships with a man named Jake, as well as the abuse their children faced. As the season progressed, it included several accounts from other victims and acquaintances of Jake as well. Jake continued to leverage his professional connections in the media to add validity to his dating presence and in turn, victimized over forty women. On December 13th, 2022, the guests of Season 14 also participated in a SWW Live event on which they discussed the impact of the season & answered some listeners’ questions. One week later, a petition was created to call for Jake to face legal accountability. And despite the fact that less than a year passing since its release, quite a lot has happened. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Kaylan, Melissa, and Sara’s involvement, as well as the rest of the guests' of season 14, and the impact their sharing has made. We are also grateful to host this conversation with Kaylan and Melissa about all that’s come next since Season 14 aired. Season 14 of SWW https://somethingwaswrong.com/14-2/ Change.org Hold Jake Accountable https://www.change.org/p/seattle-police-department-hold-jake-gravbrot-accountable The Stranger on Jake Gravbrot https://www.thestranger.com/cops/2023/01/06/78802686/after-months-spd-finally-responds-to-allegations-of-serial-sexual-assault 'Your Pocket Therapist' Instagram https://www.instagram.com/your_pocket_therapist/ For additional resources and support, please visit: http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: domestic abuse, child abuse, domestic violence, and non-consensual pornography.  Season Fourteen of Something Was Wrong began airing on October 20th, 2022 and the last episode aired on January 3rd, 2023. The season highlighted the narratives of Kaylan, Melissa, and Sara and their very toxic, abusive relationships with a man named Jake, as well as the abuse their children faced. As the season progressed, it included several accounts from other victims and acquaintances of Jake as well. Jake continued to leverage his professional connections in the media to add validity to his dating presence and in turn, victimized over forty women. On December 13th, 2022, the guests of Season 14 also participated in a SWW Live event on which they discussed the impact of the season & answered some listeners’ questions. One week later, a petition was created to call for Jake to face legal accountability. And despite the fact that less than a year passing since its release, quite a lot has happened. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Kaylan, Melissa, and Sara’s involvement, as well as the rest of the guests' of season 14, and the impact their sharing has made. We are also grateful to host this conversation with Kaylan and Melissa about all that’s come next since Season 14 aired. Season 14 of SWW  https://somethingwaswrong.com/14-2/ Change.org Hold Jake Accountable https://www.change.org/p/seattle-police-department-hold-jake-gravbrot-accountable The Stranger on Jake Gravbrot https://www.thestranger.com/cops/2023/01/06/78802686/after-months-spd-finally-responds-to-allegations-of-serial-sexual-assault Seattle Times: Seattle police stopped investigating new adult sexual assaults https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/seattle-police-halted-investigating-adult-sexual-assaults-this-year-internal-memo-shows/ Thank you again to THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING for sponsoring this episode! Don't forget to follow THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts, and you can listen to THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING ad free on Wondery Plus. For additional resources and support, please visit: http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: substance use disorder, addiction, suicidal ideation, child abuse, emotional, mental, and environmental abuse. Nicole Bowman is a mother, writer, blogger, and former teacher. She utilizes her degrees in education, childhood development, & English, as well as her active pursuit to be a therapist to create thoughtful, advocacy-based content. Through live stage performances, blogging, poetry, and autobiographical writing, Nicole shares about the nuances of the abuse she faced as a child, as well as her healing process. We are so grateful that she was willing to speak to us today about all that came next for her amidst her journey through motherhood and the process of unparenting herself. Nicole's website https://www.allthethingsmotherish.com/ Nicole's Instagram http://www.instagram.com/allthethingsmotherish Expressing Motherhood https://expressingmotherhood.com/ For additional resources: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: sexual assault, rape, domestic violence, and murder.  Jimanekia Eborn is a survivor, advocate, and mental health professional whose expertise focuses on healing from trauma and sexual assault. Despite experiencing  great loss and grief as early as she can remember, she has also always been a loving force to be reckoned with. Thus, she utilizes her own grief and experiences, as well as her status as a co-victim of murder, to advocate for victims from marginalized communities and beyond. We are so grateful she joined us today to share all that has come next for her amidst her professional, personal, legal, and media journeys. Jimanekia’s website https://traumaqueen.love/ Jimanekia’s Podcast, Trauma Queen https://traumaqueen.love/podcast Jimanekia’s Instagram https://instagram.com/jimanekia Jimanekia’s X https://twitter.com/Jimanekia Tending the Garden https://www.tendingthegarden.love/ Lenora Claire Consulting https://www.lenoraclairellc.com/ For additional resources visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources And don’t forget to check out Inhuman Podcast wherever you listen to podcasts! 

*Content warning: rape, miscarriages, forced abortion, medical trauma, sex slavery, sexual abuse, sex trafficking, child abuse, childhood sexual assault, child pornograpy, non-consensual pornography, suicidal ideation, attempted suicide Gloria Masters is a former teacher and child & adolescent therapist from Auckland, New Zealand. Over the last several decades and through her incredible professional life, she has worked deeply to change the future for our youth. But it wasn’t until a few years ago that she began dedicating her life to a new mission: using her own horrific, childhood experiences as a trafficked sex slave, and all that came next in her healing journey, to bring awareness and change to the world. We are so grateful for all of Gloria’s efforts and her willingness to share today on What Came Next. Gloria's website https://gloriamasters.com/ Gloria's books https://gloriamasters.com/shop/ Gloria's YouTube Channel, Handing the Shame Back https://www.youtube.com/@handingtheshameback Gloria’s Instagram https://instagram.com/handingtheshameback What is Human Trafficking? https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/what-human-trafficking What is CBT? https://www.apa.org/ptsd-guideline/patients-and-families/cognitive-behavioral Additional resources: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: disordered eating, anorexia, homophobia, severe physical, mental, emotional, financial, and litigative abuse, rape, and domestic violence. Lily Sanders is a dancer, author, actress and advocate with extensive creative and professional resumes. However, it wasn’t until escaping domestic violence that she found her ultimate calling. We are so grateful she was willing to discuss her journey and mission in the media, as well as all that came next for her after freeing herself from extreme physical violence. Thank you, HelloFresh, for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to go to HelloFresh.com/50wcn and use code 50wcn for 50% off plus 15% off the next 2 months! Lily’s website https://lilysanders.live/ Lily’s Podcast, Beyond The Current Situation https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-the-current-situation/id1515225713 Lily's Book, Truth to Triumph: A Spiritual Guide to Finding Your Truth https://amzn.to/48dcL1w Lily’s Instagram https://instagram.com/lily_sanders_author If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, or for more resources and info on non-profits, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of drunk driving, reckless driving, medical trauma, & traumatic brain injury. Conor Crippen is a survivor and victim advocate from Ohio. Upon his entrance to college at Loyola University Chicago, Conor studied neuroscience and biology. It would be  just under a year into his educational career though that his plans were cut short by a drunk driver. As a result of the accident, he suffered a traumatic brain injury, and began a new life of recovery. We are so grateful that Conor (and his mom Kathy) were willing to join us to talk about all that came next in their journey, as well as the inspiration they hope to spread with their journey. Conor’s website  https://www.conorcrippen.com Conor's TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@crippenconor Conor's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/crippenconor/ Just Give Me The Road by Anne Marie Romer https://amzn.to/4860AU4 Gabby Gifford Life-Saving Surgery https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/27/gabrielle-giffords-brain-surgery-technique CBS News on Deborah Zelinsky’s Research https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/brain-glasses-concussion-disability/ For additional resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you to Kitsch for sponsoring this episode! Don’t forget to visit mykitsch.com/WCN for 30% off your next order. 

 *Content warning: This episode includes discussion of underage drinking, drug use, overdose, respite care, disordered eating, anorexia, avoidant restrictive food intake disorder, coercive control, stalking, statutory rape, rape, emotional, mental, psychological, physical, and sexual abuse, suicidal ideation, and attempted murder. Lexi Weinbaum is an athlete, student, and victim advocate from Connecticut. She began riding horses competitively at a very young age, and eventually pivoted to become a Division 1 collegiate runner. However, beyond Lexi’s incredible physical prowess, her ability to overcome adversity (especially at such a young age), is what stands out most. What came after an attempt at Lexi's life, as well as her vulnerability and poise, all leave a lasting impression on everyone who listens. Alexa's TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@lexiweinbaum Alexa’s Instagram https://instagram.com/alexaweinbaum For additional resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: kidnapping, abduction, rape, child abuse, stalking, trafficking, and suicidal ideation Cheryl Hunter is television writer and producer, as well as a survivor advocate. Her efforts have been seen on NBC, CNN, Dr. Oz, The TED Talk stage, and many more major media platforms. But her journey of sharing about her traumatic abduction and assaults did not begin immediately. On this episode of What Came Next, listen to Cheryl share what propelled her to finally be open about her trauma, and what compels her to continue to speak out on behalf of victims everywhere.  Cheryl’s website https://cherylhunter.com/ USE IT: Turn Setbacks into Success https://www.amazon.com/USE-Turn-Setbacks-into-Success/dp Cheryl’s Instagram https://instagram.com/huntercheryl Information about Wabi Sabi https://japanobjects.com/features/wabi-sabi Much gratitude to this week’s sponsor, Hello Fresh. Don’t forget to visit HelloFresh.com/50wcn for 50% off plus free shipping on your first order!  

*Content warning: book banning, rape, sexual abuse, domestic violence, police brutality, racism, segregation, lynching, and murder. Cassandra Lane is an award-winning author, journalist, artist, and speaker. Her beautiful memoir, We Are Bridges, is a labor of love born from generational trauma, as well as years of healing (and honing her craft). We are honored that Cassandra was willing to speak with us about what came next after her great-grandfather’s lynching in the early 1900’s, and how she was left healing her family’s residual trauma upon her entrance to motherhood. We Are Bridges by Cassandra Lane https://amzn.to/3s0XJLJ Cassandra on Instgram http://www.instagram.com/cassandra.lane71 History of Lynchings in America https://naacp.org/find-resources/history-explained/history-lynching-america Billie Holiday's Strange Fruit https://youtu.be/Web007rzSOI LA Parent Magazine https://www.laparent.com/ PEN America: Book Bans https://pen.org/issue/book-bans/ Additional resources: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you Kitsch, for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget to visit http://www.mykitsch.com/WCN for 30% your order! 

Content warning: child abuse, coercive control, stalking, kidnapping, sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, pedophilia, fraud, and suicide. In this second part of Jan’s story, she continues to share about the grooming and sexual abuse she and her parents experienced at the hands of a neighbor. All that she’s done to heal since the abuse ended - which includes a book, a Netflix documentary entitled Abducted in Plain Sight, Peacock's scripted series called A Friend of the Family, her non-profit, podcast,  and more - are beautiful examples of resiliency and strength. Thus, we are so grateful she joined us today to share all that came next for her as a survivor and parent. The Jan Broberg Foundation https://thejanbrobergfoundation.org/ Jan’s Thrivivor Community https://www.thrivivors.com/ Jan’s Podcast https://www.thejanbrobergshow.com/ Jan's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/janibroberg/ Peacock’s A Friend of the Family https://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/a-friend-of-the-family Netflix’s Abducted in Plain Sight https://www.netflix.com/title/81000864 What Happened to Bob Berchtold? https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/what-happened-to-robert-berchtold-a-friend-of-the-family#:~:text=Fearing%20prison%20and%20rejected%20by,was%20due%20to%20be%20sentenced. Additional resources + non-profit ogranizations: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: child abuse, coercive control, stalking, kidnapping, sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, pedophilia, fraud, and suicide. Jan Broberg is a mother, actress, speaker, and advocate. When she was a young girl, she and her parents faced grooming and sexual abuse at the hands of a neighbor. The events that unfolded afterwards, which include two childhood abductions by the same man, are a clear example of grooming and the cyclical nature of abuse. However, all that she’s done to heal since - which includes a book, a Netflix documentary entitled Abducted in Plain Sight, Peacock's scripted series called A Friend of the Family, her non-profit, podcast,  and more - are also beautiful examples of resiliency and strength. Thus, we are so grateful she joined us today to share all that came next for her as a survivor and parent. The Jan Broberg Foundation https://thejanbrobergfoundation.org/ Jan’s Thrivivor Community https://www.thrivivors.com/ Jan’s Podcast https://www.thejanbrobergshow.com/ Jan's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/janibroberg/ Peacock’s A Friend of the Family https://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/a-friend-of-the-family Netflix’s Abducted in Plain Sight https://www.netflix.com/title/81000864 What Happened to Bob Berchtold? https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/what-happened-to-robert-berchtold-a-friend-of-the-family#:~:text=Fearing%20prison%20and%20rejected%20by,was%20due%20to%20be%20sentenced. Thank you Kitsch, for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget to visit http://www.mykitsch.com/WCN for 30% your order!  Additional resources + non-profit ogranizations: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

This week we are taking some time for gratitude. A big THANK YOU to all of our past and future What Came Next guests, as well as our ever-growing community of listeners. This show couldn't exist without all of you. Listen to this week’s mini-sode for a sneak peek at who next week’s guest will be. And please consider taking the time to catch up on past episodes, leave a positive review, or follow What Came Next on Instagram. Thank you! What Came Next on Instagram http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast For additional resources please visit: http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: domestic violence, verbal, physical, and mental abuse, threats, stalking,  litigation abuse, and fraud.  Danielle is a mom, successful entrepreneur, and domestic violence survivor whose journey was highlighted in Season 9 of Something Was Wrong. The season centered around Danielle’s narrative, navigating a very difficult relationship to a man named Ardie. She eventually went on to co-parent with him; there were struggles in the courtroom, out of the courtroom, and with other women he was defrauding. In season nine we also get to hear from Kenji, the husband of Darcy (one of the other women Ardie was dating, deceiving, and abusing). Since the season’s release in August 2021, Danielle has experienced many legal, professional, and personal updates. Tiffany Reese joins Danielle and Amy on these WCN Presents SWW Updates to help shed light on all that’s come next in Danielle’s journey after sharing her story on Something Was Wrong. We are so grateful for this conversation and all that Danielle does to advocate for other victims.  Something Was Wrong S9 Trailer  https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-season-9-trailer/ Additional Resources: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: domestic violence, verbal, physical, and mental abuse, threats, stalking, litigation abuse, and fraud.  Danielle is a mom, successful entrepreneur, and domestic violence survivor whose journey was highlighted in Season 9 of Something Was Wrong. The season centered around Danielle’s narrative, navigating a very difficult relationship to a man named Ardie. She eventually went on to co-parent with him; there were struggles in the courtroom, out of the courtroom, and with other women he was defrauding. In season nine we also get to hear from Kenji, the husband of Darcy (one of the other women Ardie was dating, deceiving, and abusing). Since the season’s release in August 2021, Danielle has experienced many legal, professional, and personal updates. Tiffany Reese joins Danielle and Amy on these WCN Presents SWW Updates to help shed light on all that’s come next in Danielle’s journey after sharing her story on Something Was Wrong. We are so grateful for this conversation and all that Danielle does to advocate for other victims. Thank you to HelloFresh for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget to visit HelloFresh.com/WCN50 to receive 50% off your order + free shipping on your first order! Something Was Wrong S9 Trailer  https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-season-9-trailer/ Additional Resources: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: gun violence, mass murder, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation Chelsea is a mother, teacher, survivor of gun violence, and advocate from Calabasas, California. Amy has known Chelsea since first grade, and although their paths diverged after high school, social media helped them stay in general touch. However, it wasn’t until Chelsea posted about her escape from a mass shooting on the anniversary of her survival, that Amy began to learn more about her friend’s more recent journey. The shooting at the Route 91 Music Festival has been featured on many major media platforms and mediums, but Chelsea has never shared her journey publicly. Thus, we are eternally grateful she was willing to share her experiences, and all that’s come next for her within her healing. Marking Five Years Since The Route 91 Harvest Festival Shooting https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/five-years-after-the-route-91-harvest-festival-tragedy-in-las-vegas-pain-is-still-felt/2995300/ Remembering The Victims of the Route 91 Harvest Festival Shooting https://www.nmvvrc.org/remembering-las-vegas-route-91-harvest-festival/ Additional resources + non-profit organizations http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content Warning: child abuse, physical, mental, and emotional abuse, bullying, harassment, suicidal ideation, suicide, and murder. John Callas is a writer, director, and producer with an extensive list of projects including his six novels, the television show Bobby's World, the film No Solicitors, and much more. His career began in the mid-seventies, and offered John a creative outlet after a very tumultuous childhood. From losing his father at a young age to surviving highly abusive school environments, John’s narrative is a true testament of tribulation after trials. He joins us today to share all that came next for him after publicly disclosing his difficult childhood, and releasing a memoir that was fifty years-in-the-making. John’s Filmography & Website https://johncallas.com/ John’s Amazon Author Page https://www.amazon.com/stores/John-Callas/author/ When The Rain Stops by John Callas https://amzn.to/3NsEhQj John’s YouTube Channel https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCDLu6O11LsBeGZHKHCcNUcw John’s IMDB https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0130327/ John’s Amazon Author Page https://www.amazon.com/John-Callas/e/B004U7GSZA John’s Writing on Medium https://medium.com/@johncallas

*Content warning: childhood abuse, sexual abuse, homophobia, rape, physical violence, sex trafficking, suicidal ideation, and suicide John-Michael Lander is a former Olympic-bound diver and current actor, author, speaker, and victim advocate. His words and efforts have been seen everywhere from TIME magazine to the TED Talk stage. He has entitled his experiences of sexual abuse and trafficking “An Athlete’s Silence.” By sharing his story, his goal is to bring awareness to predatory practices in the athletic and education worlds, as well as to change the way society receives sexual abuse victims. I am so honored he joined me today to discuss how he’s transformed all that came next for him into healing for athletes of all ages. Thank you, Kitsch, for sponsoring this episode! To receive 30% off your order, be sure to visit mykitsch.com/wcn  John-Michael’s website https://johnmichaellander.com/ An Athlete’s Silence https://anathletessilence.com/ John-Michael’s Instagram https://www.instagram.com/johnmichaellander Surface Tension by John-Michael Lander https://amzn.to/3q7K1pt Cracked Surface by John-Michael Lander https://amzn.to/42499uk Darkness to Light: End Child Sexual Abuse http://d2l.org Survivor Space https://survivorspace.org/Congress Re-Introduces Bill to Protect Kids From Online Sexual Abuse. Here’s What to Know https://time.com/6273895/congress-re-introduces-bill-to-protect-kids-from-online-sexual-abuse/ The Army of Survivors https://thearmyofsurvivors.org/ National Coalition to End Sexual Exploitation https://endsexualexploitation.org/ Additional resources + non-profit organizations http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Episode *Content warning: This episode includes discussion of domestic violence, child abuse, murder, suicide, and physical, mental, emotional, and litigation abuse. Tina Swithin is a mother, author, speaker, and victim advocate in the family court arena. Her blog, “One Mom’s Battle,” as well as her online platforms and groups, offer support for those going through divorces or custody battles to hundreds of thousands of people each month. Her journey in the family court system began at her own birth, then continued after escaping her abusive marriage and seeking full custody of her children. She uses her experience and ever-growing expertise to enact social and legal change in the family court landscape, and I’m so glad she joined us today to share what came next for her amidst her very taxing battle. One Mom’s Battle by Tina Swithin https://www.onemomsbattle.com/ Tina Swithin’s books https://www.amazon.com/stores/Tina-Swithin/author/B00IR0KRSK Family Court Awareness Month https://familycourtawarenessmonth.org/ National Safe Parents Organization https://www.nationalsafeparents.org/ George Washington University National Family Violence Law Center https://www.law.gwu.edu/national-family-violence-law-center Leah Moses on The Murder of Her Son, Ohm Moses Ghandi https://ksltv.com/550977/mother-of-teen-murdered-by-his-father-says-the-system-failed-her/ Olivia Gentile via Insider https://www.insider.com/author/olivia-gentile Hannah Dreyfus via Propublica https://www.propublica.org/people/hannah-dreyfus-2 Alienation Industry on Reunification Camps https://www.alienationindustry.com/ Google Doc of Murder Victims Amidst Media-Covered Custody Battles https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BALQKC3jl9X-j4uImBfjE39juWKXEs-9/view?pli=1 Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Episode *Content warning: child molestation, abduction, stalking, suicide, physical, mental, emotional, and sexual abuse. Kimberly Corban and Kara Robinson Chamberlain are victim advocates and survivors that both turned their traumas into careers in the criminal justice and media spaces. Although their experiences are different in nature, what came next in their journeys have heavily affected their shared mission in the true crime space. They both hope to inspire awareness and healing in the survivor community through their many media efforts, which range from public speaking gigs to a scripted film. They also recently celebrated the launch of their own podcast, Survivors' Guide to True Crime; we are so grateful they were willing to discuss the layeredness of their experiences. Survivors' Guide to True Crime https://www.survivorsguidetotruecrime.com/ Kimberly's website https://www.kimberlycorban.com/ Kara's website https://www.kararobinsonchamberlain.com/ Kimberly's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/kimberly_corban Kara's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/kararobinsonchamberlain End Violence Against Women International https://evawintl.org/

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of antisemitism, racism, verbal abuse, impaired driving, alcohol abuse, vehicular manslaughter, and murder. Carol Oschin is a mother, model, actress, speaker, victim advocate, and co-victim of manslaughter. Since losing her beloved son, (former child actor) Jordan, she has used her experiences to educate others about grief and the dangers of drunk driving. Jordan Oschin was born on January 24, 1982 & was killed on February 14th 2014. In his 32 years he made a deep impact on all of those who knew him, and through his short, vibrant career even those who didn’t. His memory will remain to be a blessing for all who had the privilege of knowing him. Daily News on Carol and Jordan Oschin https://www.dailynews.com/2016/07/15/how-a-mom-whose-son-was-killed-by-a-drunk-driver-turned-grief-into-action/ The Grief Diaries: Loss By Impaired Driving https://amzn.to/465Hz39 Impaired Driving Statistics https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving Impaired Driving Fatality Statistics https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/early-estimate-2021-traffic-fatalities#:~:text=NHTSA%20projects%20that%20an%20estimated,Fatality%20Analysis%20Reporting%20System's%20history Carol Oschin on TMZ regarding Michael Richards https://www.tmz.com/2006/11/22/richards-rant-not-the-first-time/ Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of substance abuse, gun violence, violent threats, self-harm, suicide, suicidal ideation, stalking, emotional, mental, psychological, and physical abuse.  Stacie Burrows is a comedian & writer from Topanga, California by way of Texas. We first met about a decade ago while we both performed in a live show centered around motherhood. Although I connected with her musical comedy then, it wasn’t until I watched her one-woman live show, Bulletproof Unicorn, that I truly understood the scope of her strength and tenacity. This week, Stacie is sharing her experiences with domestic violence and sibling abuse, as well as what came next for her after she turned the aftermath of her grief into a one-woman comedy show. Sources: Stacie’s website https://www.stacieburrows.com/ The Bulletproof Unicorn on IG https://instagram.com/bulletproofunicornshow Nailed It (feat. The Assless Chaps) by Mommy Tonk https://music.apple.com/us/album/nailed-it-feat-the-assless-chaps/1296705221 Expressing Motherhood https://expressingmotherhood.com/ Edinburgh Fringe Festival https://www.edfringe.com Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources Sponsors: This episode is brought to you by Kitsch & BetterHelp. Don't forget to visit  http://www.mykitsch.com/wcn to receive 30% off your entire Kitsch order, and visit http://www.betterhelp.com/wcn for 10% off your first month of services.

*Content warning: self-harm, child abuse, physical, mental, emotional, and sexual abuse and assault. Dr. Danielle Moore is a doctorate of forensic psychology, victim advocate, and former competitive gymnast. Despite the fact that her tumultuous journey has included extensive abuse and physical and emotional pain, Dr. Dani is a true beacon of hope for survivors. No matter what came next for her, she has managed to channel her energies into advocacy, to make true change in athletic systems all-around. The Army of Survivors https://thearmyofsurvivors.org/ The Army of Survivors on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thearmyofsurvivors/ Dr. Danielle Moore on Instagram http://www.instagram.com/dr.dani2016 End Violence Against Women International https://evawintl.org/ More info on Duluth Model of Power & Control https://www.theduluthmodel.org/wheels/ Indystar Expose on the Abuse w/ Rachel Denhollander https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/09/12/former-usa-gymnastics-doctor-accused-abuse/89995734/ USA Today on College Athlete Sexual Assaults https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/26/college-athlete-report-sexual-assault-common-survey/8253766002/  Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: destruction of property, stalking, abduction, domestic violence, physical violence, and murder. Lili Greer is a victim advocate and survivor from Australia. Her mother’s life was stolen by her former partner in 2012, when Lili was just thirteen. Since then, Lili has never stopped searching for and advocating for her mom, Tina, no matter what comes next in her journey. In this episode, she explains the Australian criminal justice system thoroughly, and her shocking experiences as a victim within. Utilizing her knowledge, she has also managed to carve out an impactful career in victim advocacy over the last several years. Her narrative is one of tenacity and pure strength, and we’re honored she spoke with us about all that has transpired over the last decade. Episode Note Sources:  The Tina Greer Project website https://www.thetinagreerproject.com/ The Tina Greer Project on Instagram http://www.instagram.com/thetinagreerproject The Tina Greer Project on TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@thetinagreerproject?_t=8cdm8xW4oep&_r=1 The Tina Greer Project Petition https://chng.it/GJPCJrT94Z Missing Persons Advocacy Network Guide https://www.missingpersonsguide.com/ Mission Australia Domestic Violence Statistics https://www.missionaustralia.com.au/domestic-and-family-violence-statistics# World Health Organization on Violence Against Women https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-against-women Respect Women via WHO https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-RHR-18.19 Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of infertility, miscarriages, stillbirth, statutory rape, religious, cultic, sexual, physical, emotional, and mental abuse.  Elissa Wall is a mother, author, survivor, and advocate whose incredible work has appeared on everything from Oprah to Netflix. In this second part of her story, Quantum Leap, we are given insight into Elissa’s healing journey, as well as what it’s taken her community to rebuild. We are so grateful for her continued openness and advocacy.  Elissa’s website http://www.elissawall.com Elissa’s book, “Stolen Innocence” https://amzn.to/3SqMQL7 Elissa’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/elissa.wall Holding Out Help, Salt Lake City https://holdingouthelp.org/ Cherish Families, Short Creek https://cherishfamilies.org/ Short Creek Dream Center https://www.shortcreekdreamcenter.org/ Washington Post statistics on Rape https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/ Women’s Health on Warren Jeffs sentence https://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/a40220506/warren-jeffs-now/

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of infertility, miscarriages, stillbirth, suicidal ideation, statutory rape, and mental, emotional, religious, cultic, sexual, and physical abuse.  This episode is brought to you by Kitsch. Get 30% off your entire order by visiting http://mykitsch.com/wcn Elissa Wall is a mother, author, survivor, and advocate whose incredible work has appeared on everything from Oprah to Netflix. After freeing herself from an early life in the Fundamentalist Church, Elissa reinvented herself and her career several times. Yet at the heart of all her work is her incredible storytelling abilities. Most recently, she appeared in the documentary, Keep Sweet: Pray & Obey, in which she shared a bit of her journey and healing. The production made it clear that Elissa’s wisdom and poise are unrivaled, and that there was so much more to her story than four poignant episodes could illustrate. We are so grateful Elissa was willing to share the rest of what came next for her with us.  Elissa’s website http://www.elissawall.com Elissa’s book, “Stolen Innocence” https://amzn.to/3SqMQL7 Elissa’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/elissa.wall Holding Out Help, Salt Lake City https://holdingouthelp.org/ Cherish Families, Short Creek https://cherishfamilies.org/ Short Creek Dream Center https://www.shortcreekdreamcenter.org/ Washington Post statistics on Rape https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/ Women’s Health on Warren Jeffs sentence https://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/a40220506/warren-jeffs-now/ Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: death threats, litigation, sibling, verbal and sexual abuse, stalking, and murder. Thank you, BetterHelp, for sponsoring this episode! Don't forget to visit http://www.betterhelp.com/wcn for 10% off your first month of services. Amy B. Chesler is an author, podcaster, survivor, and victim advocate. Amy shared her experiences of sibling abuse, as well as her mother’s murder, on Something Was Wrong Season 7. Her consequent experiences in the criminal justice system & the media are largely what inspired the creation of the show, What Came Next. WCN Episode 1, [Amy B. Chesler] This Shit Doesn’t End (released 3/3/23) highlights the continued abuse and terror she faced at the hands of her imprisoned brother; in this episode she explains how she was finally freed from the criminal justice systems (in just the last few weeks) since this podcast’s launch.  Something Was Wrong Season 7: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/2dec880d-db88-4156-aa12-4f82dc496422/episodes/adb93563-71ee-484a-82a8-b74b74aec0c7/something-was-wrong-s7-e1-extreme-anger?ref=dm_sh_BeYRh06neVQMkqxYAAAP0lFnU What Came Next, Episode 1: [Amy B. Chesler] This Sh*t Doesn’t End (SWW S7 Updates Part 1) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/amy-b-chesler-this-sh-t-doesnt-end/id1674051643?i=1000602598564 Amy’s Instagram http://www.instagram.com/amybchesler Amy’s Facebook http://www.Facebook.com/amybchesler Working for Justice: One Family’s Tale of Murder, Betrayal, & Healing https://amzn.to/42adAo7 Amy’s Petition (Now Closed): https://chng.it/fxqZyJRR Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of murder, violence, emotional & physical abuse, homophobia, abandonment, infidelity, and child endangerment. Collier Landry is a filmmaker, podcaster, speaker, & victim advocate living in Santa Monica, California. His documentary, A Murder in Mansfield, is a poignant tale of the slaying of his mother and the resulting trauma that followed. What came next in Collier’s journey and healing was largely driven by Noreen’s memory, as well as his mission to inspire others that have dealt with similar loss. Much of Collier’s work centers around ‘moving past murder,’ and strengthening our narratives after trauma. He is also celebrating the recent release of his new podcast, The Survivor Squad, which he co-hosts with Terra Newell. Something Was Wrong Resources http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Sources: Collier’s website:  http://www.collierlandry.com The Survivor Squad Podcast w/ Collier Landry and Terra Newell https://www.thesurvivorsquad.com/ Collier’s Instagram:  http://www.instagram.com/collierlandry Collier’s TikTok: http://www.tiktok.com/collierlandry Moving Past Trauma w/ Collier Landry: https://www.collierlandry.com/podcast A Murder in Mansfield: https://www.amazon.com/Murder-Mansfield-Season-1/dp/B07NBRNBGB Collier’s TED Talk https://www.ted.com/talks/collier_landry_what_happens_when_the_answers_we_seek_are_not_what_we_find?language=en Forensic Files featuring Collier Landry https://www.forensicfilesfiles.com/jack-boyle-noreen-boyle-collier-landry.php United Nations Office on Drugs & Crime Statistics on Intimate Partner Violence/Murder https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/UN_BriefFem_251121.pdf National Coalition Against Domestic Violence Statistics  https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS National Coalition Against Domestic Violence Resources https://ncadv.org/resources

Episode *Content warning: This episode includes discussion of coercive control, domestic violence, physical, emotional, and mental abuse, violence, physical assault, weapons, and murder. This episode is brought to you by Kitsch. Get 30% off your entire order by visiting http://mykitsch.com/wcn  Terra Newell is a powerhouse victim and animal advocate whose brave journey was the subject of Netflix’s Dirty John, among many other productions. We are deeply honored to chat with our friend about what came next for her after her tragic attack, as well as the work she’s done to educate other trauma survivors since.   Terra’s website: http://terranewellsurvival.com Terra’s Instagram http://www.instagram.com/terranewell Terra’s Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/terra_newell Terra’s Pups https://www.instagram.com/terraspups/ Seven Stages of Trauma Bonding https://www.choosingtherapy.com/stages-of-trauma-bonding/ The Survivor Squad https://www.thesurvivorsquad.com Red Song Bird Foundation https://www.redsongbird.org/ Lenora Claire’s Ethical True Crime Consulting Company https://www.lenoraclairellc.com Dirty John the podcast  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dirty-john/id1272970334  Dirty John on Netflix https://www.netflix.com/us/title/80241855?s=i&trkid=258593161&vlang=en&clip=81306880 Dirty John: The Dirty Truth https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07MCVDB63/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of domestic violence, gun violence, murder, mass murder, and mass shooting. Olivia Percaccio is an educator, wife, daughter, sister, and friend to many; she is also the co-victim of a mass murder and shooting. We are so grateful she reached out and shared her experiences with us privately almost two years ago, after Amy’s season of Something Was Wrong aired. We formed a bond over some of the legal, media, and emotional parallels in our journeys. However, this is the first time Olivia has chosen to publicly share what came next for her family and community after experiencing such painful grief while being forced into the public eye.  Olivia’s Instagram http://www.instagram.com/livydee12 March for Our Lives http://www.marchforourlives.com Everytown.org https://www.everytown.org/ Disenfranchised Grief Resources https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/disenfranchised-grief L.A. Times, “The Face of Evil” https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-scott-dekraai-sentencing-20170922-story.html USA Today on Mass Killings in the US https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2022/08/18/mass-killings-database-us-events-since-2006/9705311002/ Information on the Orange County Jail Informant Process https://www.kpcc.org/show/take-two/2016-12-16/how-a-mass-murder-case-unraveled-the-orange-county-jail-informants-scandal Something Was Wrong Resources http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of coercive control, cults, cultic abuse, branding, emotional, physical, and sexual abuse, rape, & sex slavery. Sarah Edmondson is an actor, author, podcaster, victim advocate, & mother who has appeared in many publications and productions, including HBO’s The Vow. She found her passion for the performing arts at a young age, and has seen great success in front of the camera. Her roles in front of them have drastically shifted over the last decade though; she now uses the spotlight to share her experiences in NXIVM. Sarah was tested to her limits by her journey within the multi-level marketing sex cult, and we are so grateful she was willing to talk to us about how she’s turned what came next for her into education for the masses. Sponsors: Thank you, BetterHelp, for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to visit http://www.betterhelp.com/wcn for 10% off your first month of services. Sources: Sarah’s Cultic Abuse & Coercive Control Resources: https://www.sarahedmondson.com/resources Sarah’s Instagram:  http://www.instagram.com/sarahedmondson A Little But Culty on Instagram: https://instagram.com/alittlebitculty Sarah’s podcast, A Little Bit Culty: https://alittlebitculty.com/ Sarah’s Book, Scarred: The True Story of How I Escaped NXIVM, the Cult That Bound My Life https://amzn.to/3RwmmY2 NY Times on NXIVM 10/17/17 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/nyregion/nxivm-women-branded-albany.html HBO’s The Vow https://www.hbo.com/the-vow Psychology Today, Understanding the Basics of Cults: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-mind/202106/understanding-cults-the-basics Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan https://amzn.to/3BaCQz Insider.com on the Legal Progression of the NXIVM trials: https://www.insider.com/what-is-nxivm-keith-raniere-explainer-2019-4#june-30-2021-allison-mack-was-sentenced-to-3-years-in-prison-27 I Got Out Movement http://igotout.org Cult Info Since 1979 via International Cultic Studies Association https://www.icsahome.com/articles/prevalence For free and confidential resources, please visit: somethingwaswrong.com/resources 

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of the  antisemitism, racism, the Holocaust, sudden death, grief, physical violence, abuse, bigotry, religious persecution, mass murder, genocide, abuse involving children and war. Moshe Blechman is a former soldier, professor, and Rabbi hailing from Poland, whose life changed forever when his hometown was demolished amidst Hitler’s World War 2 efforts. As a result, he was left family-less, homeless, and even country-less by nine-years-old. However, he was given a new chance at life when he became one of the Holocaust’s infamous ‘Tehran Children.’ What came next in Moshe’s life is both heartwarming and heartbreaking, and it’s a great honor to help him share his story. Synagogue: a Jewish place of worship  Shul: the hebrew word for temple, or a Jewish house of worship. Mitzvot: a good deed or occurrence likely born from religious duty.  Eema: the hebrew word for mother Yeshiva: an Orthodox Jewish elementary or secondary school Yelladim Tehran: ‘Tehran children’  Ein: the hebrew word for none or nothing Sponsors: This episode of What Came Next is brought to you by BetterHelp. Please visit https://www.betterhelp.com/WCN for more information about their online therapy services & to get 10% off your first month of services. Sources:  BBC Stats on Polish Deaths in the Holocaust https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49523932 Henrietta Szolds & The Tehran Children via Hadassah https://www.hadassahmagazine.org/2020/01/07/henrietta-szolds-children/ The Holocaust Encyclopedia on The Tehran Children https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/tehran-children A Shocking Lack of Holocaust Awareness https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/survey-finds-shocking-lack-holocaust-knowledge-among-millennials-gen-z-n1240031

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of racism, revenge porn, cybercrimes, stalking, gang stalking, emotional, mental, and physical abuse, and murder. Author, speaker, and activist Charlotte Laws recently appeared on Netflix’s Most Hated Man on the Internet. Her fierce tenacity played a large role in the takedown of a major nonconsensual pornography website, and she continues to add a great deal to the conversation around the revenge porn legal landscape. However, her life before the infamous legal and media battles, as well as what came next for Charlotte and her daughter after it, is extremely riveting.  The Most Hated Man on the Internet: https://www.netflix.com/title/81387065 Charlotte’s website: https://charlottelaws.com/ Charlotte’s memoir, Rebel in High Heels http://rebelinhighheels.com/ Charlotte’s true crime memoir, Devil in the Basement http://devilinthebasement.com/ Charlotte’s memoir, Undercover Debutante http://undercoverdebutante.com/ Information about The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1968 https://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf NAAG Update on Legal Landscape of Revenge Porn https://www.naag.org/attorney-general-journal/an-update-on-the-legal-landscape-of-revenge-porn/ Newsweek: An Update on Hunter Moore https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-moore-still-prison-today-now-anyone-most-hated-man-internet-1729636

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of sexual assault, rape, abduction, gun violence, grand theft auto, and domestic violence.  Danette Ousley is a mother, grandmother, and survivor from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. She first shared her experiences of abduction and sexual assault at an event that was filmed for a VICE documentary that will be released in April. Danette’s ability to remain hopeful throughout all that came next for her over the last 30 years is truly a testament to her strength.  Danette’s Email Address: sitandspeakthetea@gmail.com Danette’s Inspirational YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@sipandspeaktheteawithdd1509 Episode Sources:  Statistics on Abduction: https://www.ctdatacollaborative.org/story/abducted-victims RAINN’s Statistics on Rape in America:  https://www.rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem For free and confidential resources, please visit: somethingwaswrong.com/resources 

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of fertility fraud, rape, sexual, legal, religious, suicidal ideation,  mental, emotional, and psychological abuse.  Netflix’s Our Father: https://www.netflix.com/us/title/81227735?s=i&trkid=13747225&vlang=en&clip=81592941 Jacoba’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jacobajballard Angela Ganote’s Instagram:  https://instagram.com/aganote?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Eve Wiley’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/eveawiley?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Obstetrics & Gynecology, the official publication of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists on Fertility Fraud, Legal Firsts, & Medical Ethics: https://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/Citation/2019/11000/Fertility_Fraud,_Legal_Firsts,_and_Medical_Ethics.4.aspx American Council on Science & Health - Fertility Fraud Overview: https://www.acsh.org/news/2022/04/11/fertility-fraud-fertility-industry-danger-16239 HuffPost Quiverfull article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/quiverfull-movement-facts_n_7444604 Angela Golden’s Family Speaks Out: https://fox59.com/indiana-news/family-of-4-year-old-killed-by-donald-cline-tells-real-story-of-girl-portrayed-in-netflix-documentary-our-father/

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of coercive control, professional abuse, and financial fraud. Ron Schnackenberg is a father, husband, pilot, and business leader who appeared in Netflix’s Dirty Money. Ron’s rocky experience as a salesperson at Trump University only lasted eight months, but his resulting advocacy for fraud & professional abuse victims has continued over the last decade and a half. For free and confidential resources, please visit: somethingwaswrong.com/resources  Sources:  Netflix’s Dirty Money https://www.netflix.com/title/80118100 Ron’s LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/schnack23 ABC News on the Trump University settlement https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-finalizes-25-million-settlement-victims-donald-trumps/story?id=54347237 USA Today on Trump University https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/04/10/trump-university-settlement-judge-finalized/502387002/

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of sexual assault, rape, suicidal ideation, self-harm, and professional, mental, emotional, & physical abuse.  P.J. Masten is a businesswoman, survivor, victim advocate, and former Playboy “Bunny Mother” who appeared in A&E’s Secrets of Playboy. This week on What Came Next, P.J. describes the harsh realities of surviving rape and abuse at the hands of an infamous actor, as well as the strength and fortitude it has taken her to thrive. Sources: PJ’s email: pjmasten@yahoo.com A&E’s Secrets of Playboy https://www.aetv.com/shows/secrets-of-playboy Information on State-By -State Felony Sexual Assault Statute of Limitations https://www.rainn.org/state-state-guide-statutes-limitations Bessel Van Der Kolk’s The Body Keeps the Score https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/resources/the-body-keeps-the-score Mayo Clinic on Self-Harm and Cutting https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/self-injury/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20350956 International Study on Self-Harm https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30274648/ National Health Service on PTSD & CPTSD https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/overview/ South African Study on Traumatic Dissociation https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25906104/ NY Times: Bill Cosby is Freed https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/arts/television/bill-cosby-release-conviction.html

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of professional, mental, and emotional abuse and physical violence.  Couture fashion designer Koa Johnson shared his traumatic experiences on Hulu’s The Housewife and The Shah Shocker, after being employed by one of Bravo’s most-watched reality stars. How he prevailed amidst the abuse he faced, as well as what came next after freeing himself from his toxic environment, is an inspiration to all. Sources:  Koa’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/designerkojo Hulu’s The Housewife & The Shah Shocker:  https://www.hulu.com/series/the-housewife-the-shah-shocker-a64df37c-8417-435e-a6c9-57a33b657e2a NBC on Jen Shah’s conviction: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/real-housewives-salt-lake-city-star-jen-shah-pleads-guilty-wire-fraud-rcna37631 Vox on Shah’s sentencing: https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/1/6/23542202/jen-shah-real-housewife-sentencing-78-months NPR on Shah’s sentencing: https://www.npr.org/2023/01/06/1147452652/jen-shah-real-housewives-star-sentenced-fraud Cleverism on Professional Abuse: https://www.cleverism.com/signs-of-emotional-abuse-at-work/ CDC Statistics on Workplace Violence https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/violence/fastfacts.html National Safety Council on Workplace Abuse: https://www.nsc.org/work-safety/safety-topics/workplace-violence State & Territory Business Resources https://www.usa.gov/state-business State Labor Office Commissioners, Directors, & Secretaries https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/contacts

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of murder, as well as sexual, physical, emotional, mental, and sibling abuse.  Amy B. Chesler is an award-winning writer, podcaster, victim advocate, and survivor of domestic violence featured in Season 7 of Something Was Wrong podcast. Her victim advocacy efforts have also appeared on Evil Lives Here, Chicken Soup for the Soul, Scary Mommy, and many more major media outlets. Amy and Tiffany Reese, creator of Something Was Wrong and co-creator of What Came Next, are here to explore what compelled them to develop this new show as a means for healing, advocacy, and justice. Petition to Keep Jesse Winnick in Prison (please sign + share!) https://www.change.org/p/sign-to-keep-jesse-winnick-in-prison-in-loving-memory-of-hadas-winnick Sources:  Something Was Wrong, Season 7 https://somethingwaswrong.com/season-7/ Working for Justice https://amzn.to/3WwuUBo True Crime Isn’t a Fad, It’s My Life via Scary Mommy https://www.scarymommy.com/true-crime-my-life Amy’s Victim Impact Statement https://amybchesler.com/paroleupdate/ Evil Lives Here, “What if He Gets Out?” https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/video/evil-lives-here-investigation-discovery/what-if-he-gets-out

What happens after the experiences of true crime survivors have been shared with the world? Does the media truly capture all it entails to survive such tragedy in the public eye? What comes after the convictions are in, the cameras stop rolling, and the court of public opinion has spoken? Can sharing our stories lead to justice, and is there ever really justice?  These questions and many more are discussed on the new true crime docuseries podcast brought to you by Broken Cycle Media, What Came Next is co-created and produced by Something Was Wrong’s Tiffany Reese and host, award-winning writer, victim advocate and true crime survivor Amy B.Chesler.  On  What Came Next, you’ll hear firsthand accounts from those impacted, with behind the scenes insights about what came next for survivors after their stories were shared with the world, and how the media impacts crime victims and their loved ones. On What Came Next you’ll hear from survivors Koa Johnson (Real Housewives of Salt Lake City), PJ Masten (Secrets of Playboy), Jacoba Ballard (Our Father), Ron Schnackenberg (Dirty Money), Charlotte Laws (Most Hated Man), Sarah Edmondson (NXIVM), Terra Newell (Dirty John), Collier Landry  (A Murder in Mansfield), Elissa Wall (Keep Sweet, Pray, & Obey) and many more incredible survivors.  Subscribe now wherever you listen to podcasts to hear the first three episodes of What Came Next on 3/3/23.