What do ethical leadership, a singing contest victory over Kelly Clarkson, and an almost-encounter with the Secret Service have in common? They all feature in our engaging conversation with Dr. Barry Boyd and Dr. Jen Strong, associate professors at Texas A&M University. As creators of the engaging text, Ethical Leadership Theory 2 Practice, Barry and Jen share how they developed a relatable and exciting learning material, infused with their unique personal anecdotes to keep things lively.Imagine being a follower with the power to prevent a leader from straying down an unethical path. That's a key focus for Barry and Jen as they discuss the addition of followership chapters in their book and the deficits they've observed in college students and recent graduates. Our conversation doesn't stop there. We further explore the development of the Queen Model of Critical Thinking and its potential to sharpen critical thinking skills. Whether you're a fan of print, e-books, or audiobooks, these educators have got you covered in their pursuit of enhanced student engagement.Ready to become the best version of yourself? That's a challenge we pose in our discussion as we emphasize the importance of seeking feedback for growth and development. Drawing from Carol Dweck's concept that 'becoming is better than being', we invite you to rethink your approach to feedback and continual self-improvement. Don't miss out on this remarkable conversation with Barry and Jen, as they share their expertise on ethical leadership.