Join The Spinoff's Ātea editor Leonie Hayden along with Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes and Meriana Johnsen every two weeks for kōrerorero about te ao Māori me te ao hurihuri. The series will feature guests young and old, matatau and fresh as, from here there and everywhere across the motu, but all tangata whenua.
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It’s the final countdown
For our final episode, there are no guests, no set kaupapa, just your friends Te Kuru, Meriana, Te Aihe and Leonie having a wānanga. It’s not farewell, just good bye for now!
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11/23/2022 • 1 hour, 15 minutes, 36 seconds
Who’s at the door?
This week the team chats to artist Hōhepa Thompson aka The Hori about an innovative new AI that will assist media organisations with cultural competency. His name is Auraki — but who will be brave enough to welcome him in?
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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11/2/2022 • 33 minutes, 59 seconds
Tikanga and the law
Transformation or gilding the cage? With the Supreme Court recognising that mana lives on after death in the landmark Peter Ellis appeal, Nē? chats to lawyer and advocate, Kingi Snelgar, about how tikanga does and doesn’t fit into Aotearoa’s legal system.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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10/19/2022 • 55 minutes, 46 seconds
Stolen hearts
The kōiwi of 64 Māori and Moriori tūpuna were returned from the Natural History Museum of Vienna this week, many of them stolen from Aotearoa by Austrian grave-robber Andreas Reischek. Nē? talked to two of the team behind Te Papa’s Karanga Aotearoa Repatriation Programme, Te Arikirangi Mamaku-Ironside and Dr. Amber Aranui, about bringing our people home.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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10/5/2022 • 49 minutes, 1 second
Meriana and Leonie’s first reo Māori podcast
Ko Mahuru Māori tēnei, nō reira, kua tae te wā! In February, the team set themselves the wero of a fully reo Māori episode come September. Supported by Te Kuru and special guest kaiako Hēmi Kelly, Leonie and Meriana gave it a bloody good go.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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9/22/2022 • 1 hour, 9 minutes, 30 seconds
Remembering Hana
In this Mahuru Māori episode, our hosts drill down into some complex feelings around Te Wiki o Te Reo. Our very special guest is Rāmari Jackson-Paniora, the daughter of activist and pioneer Hana Te Hemara, whose name appears at the top of the landmark petition that started it all.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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9/7/2022 • 51 minutes, 17 seconds
Te ihi, te wehi, te haka
This week performance artist Kura Te Ua (Te Waka Huia, Hawaiki TŪ, Black Grace) takes us on a journey through her vision for haka theatre, growing rangatahi creativity through her programme Autaia, and performing “outside the box”.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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8/24/2022 • 46 minutes, 20 seconds
Te Awa Atua
It's an all wāhine line up, with special guests Ngāhuia Murphy, Ataria Sharman and Qiane Matata-Sipu joining your regular hosts Meriana Johnsen and Leonie Hayden. Together they discuss ikura, the first wāhine, feminine deities and the secrets the colonisers didn't want us to remember.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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8/10/2022 • 1 hour, 8 minutes, 22 seconds
Is it appropriate to appropriate?
Every few years the topic of cultural appropriation rears its head, usually because Māori have once more had their taonga used and abused. The team chats to artist Jess Thompson Carr aka The Māori Mermaid about some of the worst culprits and how to approach toi Māori with integrity.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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7/27/2022 • 57 minutes, 3 seconds
Full moons and green thumbs
Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke joins Te Kuru to talk about gardening by the maramataka, and how she’s helping her Waikato community reconnect with mātauranga Māori.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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7/13/2022 • 45 minutes, 28 seconds
When the whole country looked up
The team invite astronomer Olive Karena-Lockyer for a round-up of the first Matariki public holiday, and to explore the special connections between the night sky and our taiao.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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6/29/2022 • 45 minutes, 45 seconds
Time and space
Leading up to Matariki, and the first official public holiday, Nē? chats to aute cloth maker Nikau Hindin about star-map making and the whetū that help us find our way.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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6/15/2022 • 45 minutes, 41 seconds
Can you feel the aroha tonight?
With an unprecedented emphasis on mita (regional dialects), the second Disney film in te reo Māori is about to be released: The Lion King. The team catches up with Oscar-nominated producer Chelsea Winstanley on what it’s like for a small, dedicated group of te reo enthusiasts to deal with the world’s largest entertainment conglomerate.
Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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6/1/2022 • 40 minutes, 33 seconds
Story sovereignty
In this episode, we kōrero with writers Trinity Thompson-Browne and Qiane Matata-Sipu. How does one stay in control of the narrative from the inception of the idea to finished pukapuka? And how self-publishing enables them to hold rangatiratanga over their work.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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5/4/2022 • 45 minutes, 21 seconds
Nah, we’re all good
Kura kaupapa advocate and graduate Te Wehi Wright joins us to discuss the history and success of the movement, and why they're refusing to participate in the government's review of kaupapa Māori education.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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4/20/2022 • 32 minutes, 33 seconds
He maimai aroha: Moana Jackson
In this episode we pay tribute to a great man, whose legacy is as strong as he was gentle. We’re joined by Safari Hynes, the young Vic Uni law student proudly carrying on that legacy.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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4/6/2022 • 42 minutes, 53 seconds
Back to school
Leonie and Meriana have both headed off to full-immersion kura this year. In this episode they get gassed up by Te Kuru and special guest, kaiako Hēmi Kelly.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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3/23/2022 • 41 minutes, 40 seconds
Waiata mai
It’s the end of summer, when musicians all over the motu should be wrapping up their busy touring and festival schedules. After three years of cancellations, we check in with kaiwaiata Anna Coddington and Te Kahureremoa Taumata about what the hustle looks like in 2022.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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3/9/2022 • 43 minutes
Ready for transmission
This week we’re marking the 40th anniversary of te reo news bulletin Te Karere by getting into the weeds of where Māori media is headed. Leonie and Te Kuru are joined by media legends Mihingarangi Forbes and Peter-Lucas Jones.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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2/23/2022 • 43 minutes, 52 seconds
Go home, stay home
As Māori we talk a lot about our connection to whenua, but most of us live away from our ancestral lands. We talk to Joe Pihema and Karen Leef about what “going home” means to them, the history of our urban communities and how to be good manuhiri on someone else’s land.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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2/9/2022 • 36 minutes, 35 seconds
Tangata Tiriti
In the lead up to Waitangi Day, we’re talking about the other side of the Treaty partnership. You know… the non-Māori one. We chat to filmmaker Julie Zhu about the group Asians Supporting Tino Rangatiratanga, and producer Lillian Hanly about growing up Pākehā in te ao Māori, and what being Tangata Tiriti means to them.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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1/26/2022 • 40 minutes, 58 seconds
Hākari and the art of the feast
It’s the festive season, and we’re celebrating hākari: upholding our mana and the mana of guests through the sharing of food. This week’s manuhiri may have cooked for Harry and Meghan, but at home on the marae the aunties are still in charge – we’re joined by chefs, cookbook authors, Masterchef winners and proud daughters of Maketu, Kasey and Kārena Bird.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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12/8/2021 • 36 minutes, 20 seconds
Read between the lines
Our hosts reveal their favourite Māori authors, and conceive a brand new book club. Te Kuru chats to Pānia Papa about the mammoth task of translating 100 pukapuka into te reo Māori.
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Books mentioned in this epsiode:
Ngā Waituhi o Rēhua by Katerina Te Heikoko Mataira
Makorea by Katerina Te Heikoko Mataira
Where the Rekohu Bone Sings by Tina Makereti
The Bone People by Keri Hulme
Bulibasha by Witi Ihimaera
Āue by Becky Manawatu
Behind the Tattoed Face by Heretaunga Pat Baker
Dedications by JC Sturm
Te Ao Hou
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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11/24/2021 • 41 minutes, 15 seconds
Tangata moana
As it gets warmer, both the season and the climate, we talk about all the ways the moana sustains us – from kaimoana to surfing to our spiritual needs. This week’s manuhiri is longboard champion and kaitiaki moana, Raniera Proctor.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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11/10/2021 • 45 minutes, 41 seconds
Do you even kōrero Māori?
In our first episode, the Nē? team talk about their different paths to te reo Māori and some of the recent conversation around who should have access to it. They’re joined by crack-up content creator and kaiako reo Jordyn Rapana aka Jordyn with a Why.
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Hosted by Leonie Hayden (Ngāti Whātua ki Kaipara), Te Kuru o te Marama Dewes (Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Rangitihi) and Meriana Johnsen (Kāi Tahu, Rangitāne)
Produced by Te Aihe Butler (Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui)
Artwork by Xoë Hall (Kāi Tahu)
Music by Te Aihe Butler and Maaka Pohatu (Ngāi Tāmanuhiri, Ngāti Apa, Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
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